Why does kalista lose attack speed when m.speed slowed

Defended·Jul 10, 2016·7 votes·1,631 views

What was the point of that

29 Comments

Critmaster GarenJul 10, 201611 votes

serves that piece of cancer right.

PennsJul 10, 20166 votes

Said the Garen main Kappa

Critmaster GarenJul 10, 20165 votes

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Said the Garen main Kappa

meh. a well played kallista kites any melee champ in the game basically infinitely. never want to see that bitch in one of my games again.

not to mention the thresh lantern on her r for her support. it doesnt help, that a lot of people who play her are actually running her also with thresh, so they can constantly save each other from stupid mistakes.

QuephaJul 10, 20163 votes

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Said the Garen main Kappa

Garen has weaknesses baked into his kit from the ground up. Kalista's entire kit was engineered to cover for her weaknesses.

PennsJul 10, 20161 votes

Well she seems to have enough weaknesses with <46% win rate for like months now tho.

QuephaJul 10, 20162 votes

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Well she seems to have enough weaknesses with <46% win rate for like months now tho.

That is the problem with no-weakness-high-agency champions. If they can succeed they feel completely oppressive and dominate pick/bans because they have no downside (which Kalista feels like at 48% winrate in normal games) If they're not strong enough to completely dominate the meta, then they fail at everything.

The game is better of with Kalista in the dumpster.

SeenanJul 10, 20161 votes

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That is the problem with no-weakness-high-agency champions. If they can succeed they feel completely oppressive and dominate pick/bans because they have no downside (which Kalista feels like at 48% winrate in normal games) If they're not strong enough to completely dominate the meta, then they fail at everything.

The game is better of with Kalista in the dumpster.

Kalista's issues reside in how they killed her AS and put it into her Oathsworn. If s/he's dead or away, she attacks miles slower and it feels inconsistent af without communication/understanding of Kalista by the Oathsworn.

Voluug13Jul 10, 20161 votes

Well, the only way we can have a non-tumor Kalista is by nerfing all her numbers into garbage. Otherwise she is basically Yasuo 2.0.

Nvm, she IS Yasuo 2.0. A champion of badly designed bullshit cancerous mechanics engineered to cover for their weaknesses instead of having weaknesses other that ''pick point and click CC/damage... which we are deleting patch by patch''.

There is a reason CertainlyTumor is the worst designer of Riot (along with Scarizard and to a lesser extent Stashu).

OnanThaManJul 10, 20161 votes

Amen.

GirardJul 10, 20164 votes

Unfortunately, LCS has claimed another victim...

MarshbouyJul 10, 20161 votes

i support that nerf. i faced a good kalista and it was complete cancer.

GirardJul 10, 20162 votes

As much as I hate bashing other people and their champion choices, you can't say something is complete cancer and have a decent amount of playtime on Teemo, Trundle, Ryze, and Ekko...

MarshbouyJul 10, 20163 votes

that is true, but cancer is more prominent in certain champions like teemo and kalista as compared to trundle or sivir.

DefendedJul 10, 20161 votes

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that is true, but cancer is more prominent in certain champions like teemo and kalista as compared to trundle or sivir.

idk about that. Trundle has to be the #1 most unfair laner to fight

MarshbouyJul 10, 20162 votes

its completely subjective.

DefendedJul 10, 20161 votes

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its completely subjective.

Atleast kalista dies. Unlike trundle

MarshbouyJul 10, 20162 votes

i think im going to get sodium poisoning.

DefendedJul 10, 20161 votes

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i think im going to get sodium poisoning.

You can have whatever you want gladly. Point is Once trundle hits 6 there is no matchup thats ''hard'' for him

MarshbouyJul 10, 20161 votes

except for all those ones that do. you are just salty. i refuse to talk to you.

DefendedJul 10, 20161 votes

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except for all those ones that do. you are just salty. i refuse to talk to you.

instead of having a logical discussion you go the ''ur salty!'' route. Goodluck sir

Only Play DariusJul 10, 20161 votes

He may be unfair in lane but he lacks any sort of AOE damage, no real damage outside of autoattacks, limited mobility, and pretty easy to kite with help. He has his weaknesses unlike Kalista when she's meta

JbelsJul 10, 20161 votes

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As much as I hate bashing other people and their champion choices, you can't say something is complete cancer and have a decent amount of playtime on Teemo, Trundle, Ryze, and Ekko...

Ekko is not even cancer anymore. His entire schtick wasn't being able to burst you but still be a tank, it was being able to stick to you and eventually kill you. I'm sorry, but AP Ekko isn't good. you might as well have a good LB player if you want an AP assassin. Much safer, much higher damage, power budget isn't eaten up a giant stun circle. They should have just balanced Ekko around being a tank. I'd rather stay alive long enough to actually do something than be so squishy I die before getting someone to half health

MrryZJul 10, 20161 votes

You're not playing ekko right if you die before getting someone to half health.

JbelsJul 10, 20161 votes

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Unfortunately, CertainlyT has created another victim...

ftfy

Only Play DariusJul 10, 20163 votes

I haven't seen any evidence for that interaction. If however, you are talking about her losing movespeed when hit with an attack speed slow, it's because her dashes are activated on her autoattacks, so she will be hopping around less.

Regardless, Kalista is a cancerous champion whose existence is a giant "fuck you" to any melee or skillshot champions. Any nerfs that take her out of the meta is a good nerf.

XPL TurdongJul 10, 20161 votes

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I haven't seen any evidence for that interaction. If however, you are talking about her losing movespeed when hit with an attack speed slow, it's because her dashes are activated on her autoattacks, so she will be hopping around less.

Regardless, Kalista is a cancerous champion whose existence is a giant "fuck you" to any melee or skillshot champions. Any nerfs that take her out of the meta is a good nerf.

Since day 1, Kalista has had her attack speed destroyed by movement speed slows, and vice versa. Her main weakness which people refused/still refuse to accept was slowing her in any form would completely destroy her dps and quick spear stacking, While also dumpstering her ability to kite because it takes 2 seconds to complete one leap while slowed. For Kalista, faster movespeed = faster complete on jump. Lower her movespeed, her jumps go slower and thus more time that she can't auto attack.

JJI744Jul 10, 20162 votes

Actually on topic. I can't find anything in Kalista's abilityies/passives that say anything about her losing AS with MS. Either its not documented or I just failed to notice it along the way. Are you certain that you didn't:

A) get hit by a MS slow that also slows AS (Nasus Wither, Nunu Ice Blast and ult, ect) B) Move out of range of your oathsworn.

doiminat0r3600Jul 10, 20161 votes

Well, it might be a hidden nerf because her mobility is directly related to her AS. It might be that the changes a while ago and only the actual kallista mains noticed.