Can we nerf azir please.

Defended·Jun 25, 2016·23 votes·2,618 views

''Azir needs damage reduced his wall was not the problem. Hes getting nerfed in the wrong places. hes far too safe and with his insta proc on thunderlords hes bursty at all points of the game but after the burst he has consistent damage and a perma slow with rylais. reduce his solider range and initial burst. Azir does not need to be a long range siege, anti siege, burst, consistent damage, objective taking mage. He still takes towers far faster than any other mage because hes attack speed based and the same can be said about dragons and barons. Also he uses next to no mana in lane unless he spams Q in which case your health will be gone before his mana. He has everything but actual health sustain going for him right now and its all in the name of having a high skill cap but by that logic annie and garen should be the weakest champions in the game due to how easy they are.''

56 Comments

Registeel1234Jun 25, 20166 votes

sry, but how does he have any sustain??? And how the fuck do you play to get auto'ed 2-3 times? Unless he has rylai's, he will most likely get 1 autoattack to you.

DefendedJun 25, 20161 votes

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sry, but how does he have any sustain??? And how the fuck do you play to get auto'ed 2-3 times? Unless he has rylai's, he will most likely get 1 autoattack to you.

''How does he have any sustain''

What Rock are you living under.

Azir has the highest sustain for an AP champ in the game. Also He even beats most adcs in damage no contest.

Sustain = damage that stays consistent but is less then burst

Azirs soldiers = sustain

Adcs = sustain

Syndra = burst Veigar = burst

Also rylais is CORE on azir. One W-Q = you extremely slowed from double slow proc on rylais and Q, Boom you're guarenteed to eat 2-3 azir autos no matter what.

Papa SlothyJun 25, 20161 votes

I think the slow stacking interaction should be removed or altered in some way

The Last BalladJun 25, 20164 votes

You mean like when they reworked how slows interacted with each other, making it so that only the most powerful is felt? Why does it need to be done again? What is happening is the q is applying a stronger slow, then when that slow runs out Rileys is applying its. Considering he has such a short range that his soldiers can attack in between his q's, he needs some way to keep people in there.

Papa SlothyJun 26, 20161 votes

I meant that he can use two soldiers to apply a double stacking slow

EndlessSorcererJun 26, 20161 votes

Slows don't stack.

Only the strongest slow takes effect.

You can chain the slows (applying them one after another), but that is it.

Papa SlothyJun 27, 20161 votes

I thought I read somewhere that you could double apply rhylais with 2 soldier autos

EndlessSorcererJun 27, 20161 votes

IIRC, you used to be able to.

However, they changed slows so that they could no longer stack quite a while ago.

DehitayJun 25, 201612 votes

Sustain on its own refers to health. You're talking about sustained damage. It's important to clarify if you're going to jump on somebody's case when they think you're referring to the type of sustain that sustain means.

DefendedJun 25, 20161 votes

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Sustain on its own refers to health. You're talking about sustained damage. It's important to clarify if you're going to jump on somebody's case when they think you're referring to the type of sustain that sustain means.

It should be pretty obvious which i was referring to.. But i see your point

BeatzBoyFTWJun 26, 20163 votes

When someone says "sustain", all of us referred to Dehitay's definition, not yours. Even I thought that statement you said about sustain was dumb.

Cerebral AbsenceJun 25, 20162 votes

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''How does he have any sustain''

What Rock are you living under.

Azir has the highest sustain for an AP champ in the game. Also He even beats most adcs in damage no contest.

Sustain = damage that stays consistent but is less then burst

Azirs soldiers = sustain

Adcs = sustain

Syndra = burst Veigar = burst

Also rylais is CORE on azir. One W-Q = you extremely slowed from double slow proc on rylais and Q, Boom you're guarenteed to eat 2-3 azir autos no matter what.

No. Sustain = Stuff like HP/MP-Regen that makes you able to stay on your lane longer

What you mean is sustained damage.

JosephAngeloJun 26, 20162 votes

psst.... its called Damage per second (DPS) o.o ADC's are known for it.

EndlessSorcererJun 26, 20162 votes

Sustained damage is what ADCs are known for; this is because ADCs have high and consistent DPS.

DPS is typically used as a measure of the damage dealt in a period of time, usually with qualifiers such as high or low in comparison to some standard.

Sustained damage is the pattern of how their damage is applied and would the be accurate term to use in this case.

INoble KnightIJun 26, 20161 votes

You have no idea what "sustain" means do you?

CatastropJun 26, 20161 votes

Sustain=survivability

What you're referring to is DPS.

LICENSED HOOKERJun 25, 20164 votes

Why have sustain when you can 1-0 your opponent at level 2 at least..

Azir can start trading with you before you want to trade with him ( if melee) and always ends the trade unless hes about to die. He always has the all in potential while just farming from a distance. Its not like hes an assassin, so why can he do that >_>?

NarasimhaJun 26, 20161 votes

I mean, if you're melee in mid lane, you deserve to get shit on early. Chances are you're an assassin who'll fuck him up at level 6 anyway.

FioraWillCarryJun 25, 20166 votes

OMG. Why is everyone on Azir's case all of a sudden. Could you guys go back to complaining about Zed and Yasuo and leave my precious main alone.

DefendedJun 25, 20163 votes

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OMG. Why is everyone on Azir's case all of a sudden. Could you guys go back to complaining about Zed and Yasuo and leave my precious main alone.

Because azir is free elo.

FioraWillCarryJun 25, 20164 votes

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Because azir is free elo.

Ok, but considering the only changes he received recently were nerfs, this would mean that this was always so but no one was complaining. Why now ?

DefendedJun 25, 20161 votes

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Ok, but considering the only changes he received recently were nerfs, this would mean that this was always so but no one was complaining. Why now ?

People are finding out how retarded Rylais is on azir. It takes time to understand i guess.

FioraWillCarryJun 25, 20164 votes

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People are finding out how retarded Rylais is on azir. It takes time to understand i guess.

You mean to tell me no one used to build Rylais on him ? I was building that on him since I started playing him. Not all games I do it but most. It's kind of obvious how good it would be on him. Next you're gonna be telling me people don't build it on Kayle. It's just way too good of an item not to be built on her.

Its funny though how when low elo people like me come up with abusive shit, everyone thinks its noob but when some pro does it in a major tournament, it quickly becomes staple. Meta sheep I guess. Item builds to me are just plain common sense.

DefendedJun 25, 20162 votes

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You mean to tell me no one used to build Rylais on him ? I was building that on him since I started playing him. Not all games I do it but most. It's kind of obvious how good it would be on him. Next you're gonna be telling me people don't build it on Kayle. It's just way too good of an item not to be built on her.

Its funny though how when low elo people like me come up with abusive shit, everyone thinks its noob but when some pro does it in a major tournament, it quickly becomes staple. Meta sheep I guess. Item builds to me are just plain common sense.

No people did build rylais you are 100% right. Im saying people didnt know the root of the problem though. Like we just found out Fizz having his E on short cd is a problem, No thats false. its the fact that he HAS that E. See what im saying? Azir wasent seen or played a lot, now that people realize when he W-Qs you and boom you're forced to eat 3 autos from his soldiers unless you dash or flash out either way you'll eat one, now we know ''hey rylais is a fucking problem ''

See what im saying? Like right now youre right. Speaking of Kayle. If people played her more we'd find out that shes ''broken'' or something you know?

INoble KnightIJun 26, 20162 votes

Dude every time I face Azir I never get chunked that hard unless I let him. You need to learn how to outplay him. Simple as that.

RavenMagusJun 26, 20161 votes

Maybe eventually they'll actually nerf one of the many things that makes Azir extremely frustrating to lane against, and not just his ult over and over again. :/

TheHurricaneGamrJun 26, 20165 votes

Azir also takes a lot of skill. I have been spamming him in normals recently and trust me when I say that he is EXTREMELY hard to pick up. He can bully you in lane. However, if Azir makes one mistake out of lane 9 times out of 10 you and punish him, and possibly his entire team for his mistakes. He has so many nuances in his kit that make him hard to master. Is he oppressive when mastered though? Yes, yes he is. You can watch any high elo streamer on Azir to see this. Riot has even came out and said that Azir is _very _ hard to pick up but very oppressive when mastered.

DefendedJun 26, 20161 votes

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Azir also takes a lot of skill. I have been spamming him in normals recently and trust me when I say that he is EXTREMELY hard to pick up. He can bully you in lane. However, if Azir makes one mistake out of lane 9 times out of 10 you and punish him, and possibly his entire team for his mistakes. He has so many nuances in his kit that make him hard to master. Is he oppressive when mastered though? Yes, yes he is. You can watch any high elo streamer on Azir to see this. Riot has even came out and said that Azir is _very _ hard to pick up but very oppressive when mastered.

Ok listen. Honestly I've played azir. Who cares about ''how hard he is''

We're talking about the fact that when he presses W-Q you lose half your health and hes completely safe. This is NOT fair. Then rylais makes it 5x worse

INoble KnightIJun 26, 20162 votes

I've never lost that much health from a combo like that. What did you do let him farm up and build no MR against him?

JosephAngeloJun 26, 20161 votes

Coming from an old azir main, a good auto q auto to proc thunderlords can certainly half health someone and it is one of the most reliable ways in the game to proc thunderlords and otherwise harass your opponent.

INoble KnightIJun 26, 20161 votes

Yeah but you can take steps to avoid it

JosephAngeloJun 26, 20161 votes

I agree. it can certainly be avoided, dodged and even capitalized on by jumping on top of him while his q is on cooldown.

INoble KnightIJun 26, 20161 votes

I just hate when people complain because they actually have to be smart to outplay people

DefendedJun 26, 20162 votes

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I've never lost that much health from a combo like that. What did you do let him farm up and build no MR against him?

You said you've never lost that much health from a combo like that? But shortly after you agreed with the combo taking half your health to the guy that said''a good auto q proc thunderlords can certainly half someones health''

You are the biggest hypocrite.

You contradicted your own statement in sheer seconds, So i will suggest stop posting if you're going to be completely ignorant.

Also you replied to my one post with 5 replies seperated.

This leaves me to be either A) You're extremely hurt over my nerf azir thread or B) You're an azir main bronze 1 player who thinks azir is balanced

INoble KnightIJun 26, 20161 votes

Never lost that much early game. If I let him farm while building no MR yeah he'll do that late game. My fault for not clarifying and no I don't play Azir but I lane against a lot of them. Also there are other people I reply to other than you. So get off your soapbox and pull your head out of your anus.

NarasimhaJun 26, 20161 votes

So what you're actually complaining about... is that Azir, using 2 abilities and then a few AAs, is able to do damage?

khorneyJun 25, 20162 votes

why ,,,, he has liek the highest skill cap in the game .....

stealthfox94Jun 26, 20162 votes

He's been nerfed how many times?

I Never ADCJun 26, 20162 votes

They are. In the next patch or two. They have already said this along with nerfing Rek'Sai and other common competitive picks who are strong.

I main Azir. He isn't overpowered, you just don't know how to play against him.

I do agree that his damage can be absurd, but he can easily be outplayed. Play him sometime, you'd understand.

INoble KnightIJun 26, 20161 votes

Why are they nerfing Rek'Sai? She's fucking balanced the way she is

I Never ADCJun 26, 20161 votes

Because she's picked too much in LCS, so they're nerfing her. It's complete bullshit, as she's what a balance champion looks like.

Would really like Riot to rethink nerfing her, and leaving her the same.

Basically they're making her tremor sense go slower, which is pretty big if you play rek often.

INoble KnightIJun 26, 20161 votes

Only reason she's being picked so much is cause she's probably the best control jungler in the game. Hell I heard a shoutcaster say she's balance where you want tank you build tank but have little damage, if you want damage you build damage but are squishy, or build a bit of both if you need it.

I Never ADCJun 26, 20161 votes

Yup. Idk man. Sad to see on of my main junglers take a nerf when they are balanced.

But hey, let's not do too much to Irelia, Swain, or Vlad! lmao.

INoble KnightIJun 26, 20161 votes

Swain can be countered with proper item builds but Vlad? Yeah fuck Vlad lol

I Never ADCJun 26, 20161 votes

Yeah, I love Vlad because he's freelo right now lmao. 5 games and I average 22 kills and 4 deaths. It's actually ridiculous.

Swain I haven't had problems with since I don't play top lane often, but I've heard he's extremely strong. ADCs complaining about these sustain damage dealers don't realize Mortal Reminder is apart of the game lmao.

SasogwaJun 26, 20162 votes

Azir is not balanceable. His sheer kit strength is absolutely insane and has been nerfed numerous time, knockup removed, wall duration reduced for instance, yet he's still extremely powerful. However despite all the (justified?) hate, he's a very skill based champion, meaning he's broken in competitive play while having one of the lowest winrates in the game (47% winrate, 43th winrate/48 in midlane). He's basically so dependent on skill and insane when very well played that it's basically "if you want to become one of the best players in your server, play Azir" and "you shouldn't play Azir unless you're very good with him" at the same time. This kinda sucks and is recurrent with some high elo dominant champions (I think of Nidalee Kindred for instance that dominate the ladder around high diam + yet are kinda weak in other elos.

WrÆthJun 26, 20161 votes

Most ranged champions' weakness is when you close the gap. Once you do that they get melted pretty quick. The problem with Azir is, he can either disengage with his ult, or turn his soldiers around, charge them into you, then do the melting.

LordBrascaJun 26, 20161 votes

Honestly considering that he is an hypercarry he shouldn't be able to bully you out of the lane so hard. Problem here is that he has an high skillcap but once you find the dude that has mastered him there is close to nothing you can do. An azir main shouldn't be able to shit all the times on someone else that is equally high skilled on a different champ.
That is one of the thing i hate most of new champs they are releasing recently.

Little PotatoJun 26, 20161 votes

Azir needs damage reduced his wall was not the problem. Hes getting nerfed in the wrong places. hes far too safe and with his insta proc on thunderlords hes bursty at all points of the game but after the burst he has consistent damage and a perma slow with rylais. reduce his solider range and initial burst. Azir does not need to be a long range siege, anti siege, burst, consistent damage, objective taking mage. He still takes towers far faster than any other mage because hes attack speed based and the same can be said about dragons and barons. Also he uses next to no mana in lane unless he spams Q in which case your health will be gone before his mana. He has everything but actual health sustain going for him right now and its all in the name of having a high skill cap but by that logic annie and garen should be the weakest champions in the game due to how easy they are.