Mages being more level reliant is actually a myth

TeCoolMage··2 votes·740 views

ADCs, supports and mages on average gain the same amount of DPS per ability rank. Level advantage is not the main reason why mages don't go bot.

The main differences that make ADCs bot lane are:

  1. Mages can roam and harass better than ADCs so despite gaining the same amount of damage, they use it more.
  2. Mages shove mid lane with waveclear while ADCs need a few items first, this applies even if the mage is at a lower level than the ADC
  3. Mid lane encourages trades due to abilities not aggroing minions, the fact wave clear champions tend to have ability harass too, and the fact it's a shorter lane so both sides can be a bit more risky.
  4. Mages, from the very beginning (meaning before any level advantage even pops up), are stronger when they're constantly outputting damage until the ADC gets items from first or second back.

This is the main reason why Ziggs doesn't suffer from being underlevelled. Because unless you're like Katarina (daggers gain % ap scaling at level 6, 11 and 16)/Syndra (passive) and actually gain higher AP scaling or power spikes post 6 with your average skill ranking order, you're just as good as an ADC. As long as you're not constantly roaming out of lane or the enemy isn't a solo bot lane mage who's harassing both you and your support out of lane and shoving, a mage will do as well as an ADC.

In fact, some champions like Lucian with his passive are more level reliant than some mages.

Relevant math: Rank 1 to Rank 5 comparisons (ordered from most DPS increase to least) Varus's Q cooldown is reduced to 1/2, and his base damage is 15.66x higher. 31.33x higher DPS Lucian's Q is reduced to 5/9 (above half) cooldown, and his base damage is 2.5x higher, AND his scaling is 1.6x higher. (This one's complicated but I estimate it's around here) base DPS is 4.5x higher MF Q cooldown is reduced to 3/7 (below half) cooldown, and her base damage is 4x higher. 9.33x higher DPS Viktor's Q is cooldown is reduced to 1/2 and his base damage is 3x higher. 6x higher DPS Xerath's Q is reduced to 5/9 (above half) cooldown and his base damage is 3x. higher 5.4x higher DPS Zigg's Q is reduced to 2/3 cooldown and his base damage is 3.4x higher. 5.1x higher DPS Syndra Q has the same cooldown and her base damage is 4.6x higher. Guess her DPS increase.

10 Comments

Dynikus1 votes

The difference is, a majority of ADC damage is typically from auto attacks, which aren't really effected by level, but moreso by items.

Level reliance isn't the only reason to take them to a solo lane, it's also what you pointed out.

Ahristocats1 votes

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  1. Mages can roam and harass better than ADCs so despite gaining the same amount of damage, they use it more.

this is the reason mages are picked mid, not because of lvls same reason in dota mages are picked mid, but in dota there are few mages that can't roam and therefore picked in safe lane

TeCoolMage1 votes

unless you're QoP

but no one will ever stop me from doing my QoP support BS

Ahristocats1 votes

what do you mean unless you're qop? qop has an insane roaming and ganking with her blink she's picked mid constantly

TeCoolMage1 votes

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what do you mean unless you're qop? qop has an insane roaming and ganking with her blink she's picked mid constantly

what I mean is that QoP is an exception to the rule of solo laners being equal in level reliance, she has the strongest level powerspikes and doesn't even need that many items to function well

Ahristocats1 votes

plot twist: every single mage in dota doesn't need items to work

but it's still better with items to be able to spam spells with mana, get cdr from octarine core or bonus range from aether lens and also utility actives like ginsoo's scythe of wise

TeCoolMage1 votes

yep pretty much

It's one of the main reasons I don't like DoTA 2, but I heard QoP in particular just needs level powerspikes If I play again I might try support mid QoP where I just buy full wards and smokes but I prefer Dagon safe lane QoP for the dank memes

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

Your relevant math misses the fact that marksman have powerful damage source that is item-reliant, so even if DPS increase/decrease on their ability is similar, they will be hurt less by having it diminished.

Ziggs isn't hurt by being underleveled, because he has absurdly excess amount of waveclear. The fact that you can put him as much behind as you like, and he still will be able to clear all minions, and have some more resources left to poke you is well known to anyone who has been playing against midlane Ziggs.

TeCoolMage1 votes

At late game a 1-3 level disadvantage doesn't affect much as mages get extra AP from staying in bot lane and freezing, and early game auto attacks give the same amount of damage for both mages and ADCs.

Mages are given higher AP scalings and level 1 bases to compensate for their lack of auto attack damage, ADCs eventually outscale them from a single target DPS point of view but they both have the same gains from levels so that's far from the reason.

You can make a case on gold reliance but there's none on level reliance

Dynikus1 votes

there's slight more level reliance on AP champions, because their damage all comes from abilities, which get better with level. It's not a huge difference, but it is there.

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