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Thank god matchmaking is working as intented

GayFluffyUnicorn··42 votes·2,226 views

You win three games? Well here are four losses just because. Would be a shame if you actually climb. Three games you play 1v2 while still winning your lane and the rest of the team still loses everything but im supposed to roam and tp bot and what not otherwise i obviously dont deserve to climb. It's not like i can't even leave tower without the jungler sitting in my lane because it's great gameplay junglers can just afk on a solo lane they are premade with without losing anything for it. Competitive game and such. Risk and reward and something and agency and other useless buzzwords.

Fourth game? Welp before i get the kill on my enemy bot already lost bot tower. Went 0/8 into lane swap into three man towerdive while obviously noone of my team moves. Braum does wolves, midlane is not allowed to leave lane for whatever reason and jungle does krugs on the other side of the map.

Atleast i got a leaverbuster so im not tempted to play this garbage anymore. Can't you just permaban me. Every once in a while i think let's try another game got nothing else to play and then i'm immediately reminded why i shouldnt play this garbage. Non existant balance, garbage ranked system, garbage matchmaking system. But we get a few reworks and a new adc champ that plays like vayne so nothing to complain about. Diamond is literally unclimbable without a duo partner. Half the players are legit gold level at best+autofill+shitty matchmaking=elo hell. Yes if you play consistently you MAYBE get on this lucky streak where you finally leave the garbage you currently play in but that's not guaranteed. If your mmr is ruined before that happens say GG to the climb. I have an idea: Give us soloQ so i dont get the plat 1 adc against the D3 adc just because he is duo with someone else. Give plat the same MMR treatment like diamond so people cannot just spam games at 45% winrate and still somehow climb to diamond MMR. Actually ban boosted accounts. Make toplane maybe not shitty? Nerf fuckin jungle already. I'd actually like to play league of legends once in a while and not sit top not being able to play the game while my team just intfeeds.

79 Comments

EssenceOfPoo14 votes

i still don't understand why ranked solo isn't separate from ranked duo when duo is more similar to flex 5:5 than it is to solo.

EDIT: I probably should've added that ranked duo should be moved to flex 5:5 category because of the reason above^

HaIlMonitor5 votes

If duo was separate that wouldn't work.... 2 + 2 + 2 /= 5

EssenceOfPoo3 votes

so you're telling me that 3-man premade flex wouldn't work either cause 3+3 =/= 5?

never help team3 votes

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i still don't understand why ranked solo isn't separate from ranked duo when duo is more similar to flex 5:5 than it is to solo.

If ranked duo is separate from soloq, then you can't have a solo player playing with the duoq players. So yes, ranked duo being seperate wouldn't make sense unless it was 4v4 or 6v6

H1 H0w are Ya9 votes

I don't get this. I have like a 60 percent W/R and just won like 10 games in a row.

Where are all these trolls and losses provided my Riot matchmaking at that the boards complain about so much?

RenownedWheat422 votes

My winrate's also been sub-50 for years. Really wish I got some of that juicy forced 50 matchmaking

H1 H0w are Ya5 votes

It doesn't exist. Players will find anything and everything to use as the reason why they can't climb, including going as far as Riot targeting them and not letting them.

It is insane. Once people realize that only constant in every game is themselves and the only way to climb is to improve then they will climb. I had to learn this lesson too

RenownedWheat424 votes

Oh I know it doesn't, I was being sarcastic in agreement with you. If it WAS real then we wouldn't have people (like a good friend of mine) who go on 20+ loss streaks with no sign of ever getting out - it's not matchmaking that does that, it's the players that are performing poorly.

People seem to think they always deserve to having a winning matchup, and fail to realize there's no way to balance matchmaking for EVERY SINGLE variable (like tilt, off-role, champ, etc).

T4underbolt5 votes

Yeah dude. I have food and balanced meals everyday. Where are those poor children who have nothing to eat and die of hunger? I have food. Wtf are you even talking about?famine? No.

Did you get it with that analogy? I hope you did.

Edit:nvm I know why you are cocky. You are claiming you can climb with anything and even written a thread but you ddidnt mention you are actually a master yi's bitch and get duo boosted using famous Kayle +yi or Yorick + yi strategy. Come back when you actually achieve something alone and don't get MMR and elo boosted by Duo partner.

H1 H0w are Ya5 votes

This analogy is far in left field im amazed you went for it.

Kids in Africa don't start on the same playing field or with the same opportunities as a kid in America.

Everybody in League has access to the same exact resources and has the same exact opportunities.

A better Analogy would be two kids grow up in the same neighborhood. Both want to be in the NFL. One kid doesn't blame anyone but himself and plays college ball, gets a degree and does something with his life. Only accounting for what he can control. The 2nd kid blames everybody but himself. It is always somebody elses fault he can't succeed and never his own. He makes it no where and never gets out of that neighborhood

HalcyonDweller2 votes

Look past the cockiness. Their argument has merit. People do hold themselves back by blaming others instead of learning from mistakes. It's not everybody, and it's not the only reason people have difficulty climbing, but it certainly makes that climb harder.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

just won 8 games in a row... without duoing. But i still agree with op, riot need to do something about matchmaking

HalcyonDweller5 votes

I'm with you, matchmaking needs to be better. But posting like this is not the way to get that done.

If you legitimately want your account to be permabanned you may submit a support ticket to Riot Support asking them to do so. But judging from your tone in this post it sounds like you only said it so that you could virtue signal about how superior you think that you are over this game.

Protip: Don't say shit like that. The claim lacks pathos, meaning that it's not going to convince anybody new to sympathize with you. And it makes you look pretty awful yourself.

cheerfothebeer2 votes

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I'm with you, matchmaking needs to be better. But posting like this is not the way to get that done.

If you legitimately want your account to be permabanned you may submit a support ticket to Riot Support asking them to do so. But judging from your tone in this post it sounds like you only said it so that you could virtue signal about how superior you think that you are over this game.

Protip: Don't say shit like that. The claim lacks pathos, meaning that it's not going to convince anybody new to sympathize with you. And it makes you look pretty awful yourself.

Bullshit. I have posted every possible way there is to post and nothing from Riot.

HalcyonDweller5 votes

Riot doesn't comment on posts most of the time. But they still read a lot of them.

And it stands to reason that being insulting is going to make your reader less receptive to whatever you want to say. Presenting arguments and ideas in a reasonable manner goes a long way towards getting Rioters to read them and share them with other Rioters.

Hibeki2 votes

Except they wont. Stop pretending like kissing ass will get them to change anything because it wont.

HalcyonDweller3 votes

There's a large difference between kissing ass and simply treating people with common decency. I didn't say you have to kiss ass, I never expected that of anybody. I do however, expect people to behave like decent folk.

If you read my comment again you may notice that I said "Presenting arguments and ideas in a reasonable manner" rather than "praise Rioters even when they don't deserve it."

Just because you're behind a computer screen does not mean you are somehow absolved of your responsibility as a human being to not be a shitter.

Hibeki1 votes

Yeah well when you don't get listened to regardless people get justifiably angry.

They don't listen to you when you are nice, they dont listen to you when you are mean. They don't deserve that decency (This is strictly the balance department, I have no idea what the communication is with staff in other departments like skins and such)

HalcyonDweller1 votes

It is not the Rioters' faults that people choose to act on their anger by making personal attacks against those Rioters.

Common decency is always owed/deserved. Respect on the other hand, can absolutely be lost.

I understand people losing respect for Riot, because Riot has on numerous occasions violated expectations that they themselves set up. But I cannot support (and I'll actively condemn) anybody violating common decency for their own personal catharsis of taking anger out on Rioters.

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

I want them to read it and feel bad. Riot has become so fuckin arrogant i am not pretending i want their attention or affection. I don't want pats from them or anything. They suck at what they do and i want them to know that. Am i alone with that opinion? Maybe. But that's how economics work. You make a product and people complain and either you try to change it for the better or leave it as is.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

"I don't want their attention or affection"

"I think they suck at what they do and I want them to know that"

Make up your mind dude. You can't have it both ways. Feedback that contains nothing of value is not shared with the people whom it is intended for. The Rioters who browse the boards are not usually the ones from the teams that you are frustrated with. They have learned to not come here themselves because of people like you who prefer making personal insults at them over doing something constructive.

cheerfothebeer1 votes

{quoted}

Riot doesn't comment on posts most of the time. But they still read a lot of them.

And it stands to reason that being insulting is going to make your reader less receptive to whatever you want to say. Presenting arguments and ideas in a reasonable manner goes a long way towards getting Rioters to read them and share them with other Rioters.

They do what they want to do. Doesn't matter how it is composed.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Actually, it stands to reason that the opposite is true. It absolutely matters how it is composed, because the few Rioters who do read the boards are more likely to share feedback with the team it is directed at if it does not make personal attacks against that team.

It doesn't affect whether we get a reply or not, but it absolutely affects whether or not the first Rioter to read it passes it on to the team who could make use of the feedback.

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

No i genuinely want to get permabanned. I flame every single game. So far i got a chat restriction.

Nah, i don't care how i look on the internet. I don't want to be everybody's darling. I also don't want anyone to sympathize with me. I've tried it nice. I've tried it calm. I'm just raging now. ADC 2k17 worked so i'm just going down that route of stomping and kicking until daddy riot does something.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Well I'm sorry you feel so upset that you're willing to burn bridges, that's never a fun place to be.

For your sake I hope the ban comes quickly so you can stop thinking about this game that causes you so much stress.

What about all the people who's games you are ruining by intentionally being toxic?

Lucian Waifu5 votes

I am with you, mains Ziggs, tries to farm and and hope my bot and top don't feed like monsters early. Had a game a couple of days ago where a gp top went 0/14/0 by 20 minutes! How do you die almost once a minute? And he was plat last season so I thought he would at least be okay but instead was just another boosted animal.

greekvandaL5 votes

9 out of 9 promos so far obviously lost by default because riot matches you with trash while the enemy team somehow always runs you down like adog while laners dont move. And when you lose promo you play a game to get back into it and somehow your team has more coordination than season 5 worlds SKT. It's obviously just luck and not intended to force you into 50% winrate :)

Nea1043 votes

Problem is people think matchmaking is garbage only when they lose. Try instead to look carefully to the matches you won. Were they balanced? Maybe a 10% :D

Think carefully about how many balanced games overall you get. And then you will surely say, "Worked as intended", of course :P

cheerfothebeer9 votes

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Problem is people think matchmaking is garbage only when they lose. Try instead to look carefully to the matches you won. Were they balanced? Maybe a 10% :D

Think carefully about how many balanced games overall you get. And then you will surely say, "Worked as intended", of course :P

No, it is usually garbage when you win too. Somebody feeds like a noob on one team or the other in most games.

Nea1041 votes

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No, it is usually garbage when you win too. Somebody feeds like a noob on one team or the other in most games.

That's what I meant :D

General Esdeath 7 votes

win or lose, you shouldn't be playing with someone 3 divisions under you just because they're a duo

GayFluffyUnicorn6 votes

Exactly. People think three divisions isn't much but me being basically D3 mmr already to a plat 1/2 is just a huuuge difference. As you can see by them getting stomped despite their duo sitting botlane trying to win them.

General Esdeath 2 votes

With each division the gap gets bigger. The difference between gold 5 and silver 5 is really big, so I can only imagine D3 to Plat 2

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

You think these motivational wins are fun? Look at one of my camille wins were i basically inted because i got pissed off the GP matchup on top of nidalee staying overnight for a threesome. Yeah i won that game. You think that was fun or entertaining? Playing 1v2 while my team wins the game and i be like "welp, guess i won? " No it was not. Shitty matchmaking still. If you really wanna look it up it was the mordekaiser bot.

Ryrynounet5 votes

Try instead to look carefully to the matches you won

Ye, i stomped them because they deserved to loose according to the match-making, i really had a lot of fun contemplating a system deciding if i must win or must loose, extremely funny. I'm just here wondering why we are playing when we don't even decide the outcome of a game

Leonerdo3 votes

This is why the Boards has a bad reputation. This is clearly a venting post. He's just complaining about anything and everything in a consistently belligerent tone, because he's not happy unless he's climbing. And yet the post made it half-way up the front page.

And now I'm angry and venting (and blaming someone else for it) too. Great. Thanks for that.

General Esdeath 2 votes

He also stated solutions, or are you just here for the high horse bandwagon?

Leonerdo1 votes

Ban boosted accounts.

Obviously.

Nerf jungle already

Like we haven't heard that a million times.

Remove DuoQ

Yeah okay, one decent solution worth debating. I doubt it effects matchmaking as much as he claims, though.

Give plat the same MMR treatment like diamond so people cannot just spam games at 45% winrate and still somehow climb to diamond MMR.

What?? Now he's just making shit up.

Can't you just permaban me.

Sounds good?

So all in all, one good suggestion, but with zero discussion surrounding it. And the rest is rage and filth.

General Esdeath 1 votes

Yeah okay, one decent solution worth debating.

Then you proceeded to argue for/against his points, like a debate...

Leonerdo1 votes

No, there is no debate about whether to ban boosters. I agree, we should do it. Everyone agrees. No debate to be had.

We could technically debate whatever point he was trying to make about MMR, but it's certainly not worth having. I mean, you can't climb with a 45% winrate. So I'm not sure if he's just exaggerating and he has an actual suggestion that makes sense, somewhere in there, or if he's just completely deluded.

You can debate Jungler strength a lot, so I'll give you that. But my problem with that suggestion was different. I was just pointing out the sheer lack of novelty and depth. Like yes, there is a debate to be had there, but it's a big debate that has been started many times before, and he's just taken the first baby step of that debate by asking for unspecified jungle nerfs. He has merely cast his vote for Jungle nerfs, which would be fine in a survey or poll, but isn't very productive on the boards.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

Eh yes you do climb. Had plenty of 48-% winrate people in plat 1 in my d4 games. You don't have the same mmr penalty as you have it in diamond. One of the reasons i dropped out on purpose last season from diamond to plat 5 just to get my MMR high enough to climb again and guess what i got to d2. I don't make shit up that's a fact. MMR penalty gets even harder in master+. A small loss streak is enough for you to get -20 and +14 even with a 55% winrate. Just this season i had 55% in d4 70 LP. I lost a game -15 and +20. I lost three games -19 +19. You don't have that shit in plat and below. You need to lose a TON of games hence why you can climb with a 50% or slightly lower winrate. In diamond+ you need ATLEAST 55% to climb decently. Yes once you settled in your division you will get closer to 50% and from then on it's hard AF to climb unless you had high dia+ MMR the season before.

Leonerdo1 votes

Eh yes you do climb. Had plenty of 48-% winrate people in plat 1 in my d4 games.

They started in Diamond from last Season.

You don't have the same mmr penalty as you have it in diamond.

What MMR penalty? I haven't heard of such a thing in 7 years of following Riot's posts, reading Boards regulary, and watching high-level players on YT and Twitch. And you are legit the first person to mention it. So I think you fabricated that idea yourself, and there's no way way you can convince me otherwise, short of getting a Rioter to admit it. Maybe if half the Diamond players I see around here had similar ideas, I'd give it a second though.

And if you learned that "fact" from other people, rather than inventing it yourself, I suggest finding more reliable sources of information.

In diamond+ you need ATLEAST 55% to climb decently.

You need a 55% winrate to climb anywhere, once your rank has caught up to your MMR. You get MMR by winning more games than you lose. That's it. So if you're not winning 51+% of the time, you aren't going to climb, Diamond or not.

You could theoretically climb by winning harder games rather than more games, but the difficulty of your games is determined by the randomness of matchmaking, so you can't just choose to have more hard games (lowering your winrate, but keeping MMR steady). Unless you are stepping up in your hardest games somehow, and slacking in other games, you won't climb with a 50% MMR, regardless of what ELO you're in. If you want to somehow steal Riot's matchmaking data and do a statistical analysis on it to prove that this contrived example actually happens a lot, then I'll listen. But until then, it's a negligible possibility, not a reliable factor.

One of the reasons i dropped out on purpose last season from diamond to plat 5

You have to throw an awful lot of games to drop a whole Tier. Doing so just so you can experience the high of climbing again is really sketchy, and potentially bannable if you were trolling hard enough.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

I really don't care about climbing anymore tbh. As long as solo lanes are garbage and gold people just spam duo botlanes to climb to high dia this ranked system is meaningless. Or the solo lane+jungle. I'm angry that despite the shit state of the game for a lot of us players you ALSO tumble over this shit where i get the duo plat 1 adc vs the d3. Like i don't know. is this supposed to happen? D3 is now equal to plat 1 because i got unlucky enough i have the duo on my team?

Obviously i'm venting. That garbage state of jungle has been there for over a year now. Nothing has been done about junglers ganking you at lvl 1 or lvl 2 when they are a level above. Junglers legit afking in bushes because they can't get punished for it. Ketchup XP is still in the game. One of the reasons why it's so hard to solo carry as a solo laner. No matter how hard you stomp your opponent it needs him a kill or a few assists and he is up in level even. Botlane catches up so fast your advantage as a solo laner is basically meaningless on top of their better item scaling and cheap prices. Discuss with me come on.

Leonerdo1 votes

is this supposed to happen?

Sort of, yeah. The matchmaking isn't perfecct. Sometimes compromises must be made for the sake of queue times. It's not like the matchmaker is going to find another Plat 1/Diamond 1 botlane duo to match yours perfectly, in just 5-10 minutes.

And I shouldn't have to say this, but Plat 1 does not always mean Plat 1. Sometimes it means, "I was high-diamond last Season, but I only just completed my 10 placements (and the highest placement is Plat 1)." And even if they belong in Challenger they can still have a bad game and get shit-on in lane. If you're focusing on a single (or handful of) anecdotal game(s), then this is a far more believable explanation than matchmaking shenanigans.

That garbage state of jungle has been there for over a year now. Nothing has been done about junglers ganking you at lvl 1 or lvl 2 when they are a level above. Junglers legit afking in bushes because they can't get punished for it. Ketchup XP is still in the game. One of the reasons why it's so hard to solo carry as a solo laner. No matter how hard you stomp your opponent it needs him a kill or a few assists and he is up in level even. Botlane catches up so fast your advantage as a solo laner is basically meaningless on top of their better item scaling and cheap prices. Discuss with me come on.

Actually decent discussion, thank you.

Jungler's have been early-ganking for Seasons; it's not a new, degenerate strat. There is counterplay, as I'm sure you are aware of, but it's true that top-lane generally has less vision and has a tougher time surviving ganks. I don't think it's better for the game as a whole to nerf early ganks though; they are interesting in a strategic sense, they require the jungler to give up farm, and there is some counterplay. If it were possible to make top-laners safer against ganks without affecting Junglers directly or nerfing ganks across the board, then I'd be all for it. Nerfing red buff slow might help?

Afking in bushes is always risky waste of time, depending on what it lets the other jungler get away with, whether that means counter-jungling or better/faster ganks on the other side of the map. Speaking of which, Catch-up XP may not be removed, but it was cut in half, and I've heard that it's enough for junglers to actually set each other behind with proper counter-jungling.

Or were you talking about Kill XP (getting more XP from higher-level champions)? It's possible that it's causing too much rubberbanding, but I don't have the evidence to say if it is or not.

And I think I'll leave the discussion about ADC strength to other threads. But I'll mention that some of the best top-laners carry games by playing... well Camille mostly, and destroying ADCs. [Obligatory mention of TP ganks here]. That and the contributions you can provide by tanking or split-pushing in the late-game, makes me think that top-laners still have agency. I could be wrong though. Lane vs. lane power is a difficult thing to measure since no two lanes work the same way.

Personally, I think Gangplank is nearly as serious as these other problems, since he forces you to be aggressive (opening you up to ganks), lest you automatically lose the farming game. I think if he were less popular, the whole "win lane, get ganked, now you're useless" pattern might be less pervasive. You have just have to work so hard to shut out a GP and contribute more to the game, especially since you can't "shut out" his ult.

Xerath Aim Bot2 votes

In the games you win, you seem to just beat your laner down and sit lane and the games you lose it looks the same...why not roam more? or pressure else where?

ChallengerTier1 votes

https://imgur.com/a/MyvzG

everyone has good and bad games dude, stop blaming your team

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

Yeah i knew someone would post this and you are right i didnt have the best game. Doesn't change the fact that in those two games blitzcrank and janna could just afk at my lane because i have zero vision in the river. Seju fed leblanc a few kills and i can't leave tower anymore. Tell me what to do in those games where my team is completely outclasses so hard that everything i try to do ends up in a disaster. I'm genuinely asking, because these games don't happen once but usually thrice in a row. And i legit wanna know how to carry or turn something into a win where i'm 0/1/0 in midlane and leblanc is 12/1 because seju invaded blue when i was back and leblanc snowballed off of that first blood. When you can't even leave lane because jungle or support sits there already. If you have an answer please let me know despite my raging and venting i actually strife to get better at what i do.

ChallengerTier1 votes

MR, ping, farm under tower, the enemy is as braindead as your team so if you are seriously better why arent you doing as well as leblanc?

xelaker1 votes

it never occurs to people that poor scores can be the result of other lanes. You could have a pretty mundane lane and end up having to fight the 15/2 jungle noc and get your butt pushed in, for no fault of your own.

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