Please Riot, these Renek and Kled changes are terrible for toplane. What are u doing?

GayFluffyUnicorn·7/2/2019, 3:06:48 PM·73 votes·20,057 views

Top-lane is already the most counter-pick heavy lane in league what is the reason to emphasize it even more? Didn't u just read here and on reddit how hard it sucks to lane against a champion that you cannot beat or interact with at all? (Tahm Kench) So why do you turn around and say "let's create more of these scenarios"??

It's not only ranged champions just straight up hard-countering most melee bruiser. Melee toplaner among themselves counter each other. I pick kled, they pick fiora. I pick Camille they pick jax. I pick a tank they pick Darius.

Atleast those heavy counterpick scenarios are pretty rare, now you come around and give Renekton a shield breaker. Sooo camille v renek turns from tough for camille but beatable early to "never leave fountain, at all". Riven as well probably cannot lane against renekton anymore. Two new scenarios that will make camille and riven players feel like shit with no hope in god to beat renekton. Great. I'd be dishonest if i'd say i feel bad for riven players but this is not the solution to riven being broken as fuck because it influences the overall health of the lane.

Kled? Kled needs attention. Massive one at that, but his healing debuff is not the solution. Kled is a lanebully that gets beaten by most lanebullies while also getting outscaled by them. THAT is his biggest problem. THAT is the reason why he was so good with old conq that allowed him to properly scale into the later stages of the game and not let him fall off the moon after 15-20 mins. Now you give him a healing debuff. So kled is already good into for example aatrox and vladimir. Two champions who now probably don't even need to attempt to enter lane against him anymore. He might now be a bit better against darius and renekton but i doubt it will make a massive difference. Most win lane scenarios for kled come from people running into his lvl 3 murder combo and getting snowballed on. It's kinda hard to predict the outcome when people rarely play properly against kled. Fiora will continue to shit all over kled soo coolio.

All in all these changes only cement existing counters and make them basically impossible to play against while a champ like kled who needs help doesn't get any benefit from these changes. And i realize this is probably what you want you think it's really exciting sitting in a lane under turret not able to even cs and hoping your jungler comes or your botlane wins. Unfortunately for the people who play this shit it is in fact not fun and people in fact Q up for league of legends to play a match of league of legends to you know PLAY LEAGUE OF LEGENDS FFS.

So please riot, pull these changes asap you cannot be serious with this. Why do you want toplane to be such a shithole? Why do toplaners have to play minesweeper every fuckin champselect? Why do you when people say "please toplane is very counterpick heavy and it sucks to firstpick" turn around and make it even worse?

While i will not get an answer i hope a rioter will read it and talk to repertoir for all of toplanes sake.

108 Comments

Pika Fox7/2/2019, 3:20:06 PM39 votes

Mordekaiser - gets thicc ass shield

Renekton - https://youtu.be/yNxPVj0hejg

5or6stores7/2/2019, 9:12:46 PM19 votes

I've literally never heard anyone say they thought renekton needed a buff.

Lovelle7/2/2019, 4:21:09 PM15 votes

Great, more anti-sustain mechanics to deal with. I wouldn't have a problem with this if Kled didn't often build sustain himself. There is already an overabundance of grievous wounds in the game, and nearly everyone takes ignite.

I honestly don't mind more shield-breaking mechanics being added to the game, but does Renekton of all champions need it? Why not create an item that can serve this function, that way every bruiser can benefit from it?

Renekton is one of those picks that outclasses most of the melees in his role, so giving him access to a useful mechanic that others want, but don't have just ensures he gets picked over them even more.

Trundle I would love if his ult helped counter shields, since that's one of the primary ways that people get durable these days. No one really stacks resistances anymore, thanks to a million damage amps from runes, %hp damage everywhere and penetration being too strong and convenient to purchase. But nah, let's superbuff Renekton, who already sees exponentially more play.

SweedishGunner7/2/2019, 10:18:03 PM11 votes

There's Jayce buffs on the PBE too, have fun toplaners!

G Master Hung7/2/2019, 9:29:23 PM9 votes

Kled's been in the dumpster forever now. I feel like Kled mains have waited long enough and had enough of their champ getting fucked in the ass.

Blue Moon Wolf7/3/2019, 4:00:20 AM6 votes

I'm still confused as to why Renekton and Blitzcrank are both getting instant shield breaking mechanics when Riot literally removed the bonus damage to shields at max stacks for Irelia because "it was unhealthy". No matter how I look at it, only doing bonus damage over time to shields sounds MUCH healthier then instantly blowing up a shield, one by just building fury which he can sit on IIRC, and the other just by activating his Ult.

I won't say weather or not it was needed on Irelia, but then to go back and do this? When they specificity said it wasn't healthy? THEN on top of that, make it an instant shield buster instead of just increased damage? It's changes like this that make people think the balance team doesn't know what they are doing.

D357R0Y3R7/2/2019, 3:19:12 PM6 votes

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Top-lane is already the most counter-pick heavy lane in league what is the reason to emphasize it even more?

lol what?

ask lucian mains what they think of caitlyn/jinx/ashe lane ask vayne mains if they have fun against draven ask ezreal mains if they have fun against sivir

and I don't play midlane but it's probably the same

truth is, ANY LANE depends on counterpicking, and if you think that supports do not care about counterpicking (janna vs alistar) (leona vs sona) (morgana vs thresh/blitz) you're off the mark

really off the mark

Sodeb Lacudomite7/3/2019, 6:37:41 AM5 votes

I love playing Renekton, and here is my worry: Renekton will be so OP against shield reliant champions (Riven, Camille, ...) that he will need some sort of nerf. With that nerf, he will be strong only against shield champs.

OtterlyLost7/2/2019, 4:07:54 PM5 votes

I'm more concerned with what kind of affect these changes will have on enchanter supports who are already not top tier in solo queue and who have already had multiple nerfs to their items and shields and heals...

For that matter, they're adding a shield breaking ability after giving ADCs a viable self shield from PD. Why nerf something that hasn't been problematic?

Why punish bot lane champions when they aren't causing any issues?

Troll for Trump7/3/2019, 5:08:01 PM4 votes

Can they just give top lane some way to influence other lanes, instead of emphasizing rock-paper-scissors, splitpush, and hope to god you can deal with the fed enemy team later on

Phieldworker7/2/2019, 4:12:04 PM4 votes

I don’t think renekton’s shield break ability will KILL top lane. The two you mentioned already are countered by renekton and their shields are very quick to uses. So for him to break the shield he would need to hold onto his w until they use it which would be unwise because both of them can run away before he can get his combo off if he doesn’t stun them. So yes it’ll destroy their defenses when used correctly but if he’s already used his other abilities they can just run. It’ll make it into a bait game for them. That’s the way I see it.

La Bello7/2/2019, 9:39:11 PM4 votes

I wouldnt mind the change if they reduced Ruth Pred EMP stun from 1.5 down to its NORMAL 0.75s that it is on base and just made the animation slightly faster to compensate or something

Haze977/2/2019, 11:47:02 PM4 votes

For all I am glad I now have a solid answer to Riven.

No more Renekton buffs after this please, top lane just got it's best defender!

Tobykachu7/3/2019, 4:16:14 PM4 votes

I have no idea why they're trying to turn League into League of counter picks

Hamuza7/2/2019, 11:40:51 PM3 votes

As a kled main (1.9Million mastery), I can accept your view, I'm grateful for the buff but at the same time, it's targeting the wrong stuff, kled needs scaling, not on his W per se but on anything else, maybe shorter cool downs on his W or E. Honestly, he is a hard champ to balance due to the lack of data from people playing him. But I'm glad someone else sees the bugs. Sidenote: I would like to get courage back from hitting buffs, big gromp, big chicken and scuttle, it would make jg kled more lit. Thanks for reading.

dark100dark1007/3/2019, 10:53:01 AM1 votes

They just bring the bot lane experience to top. In my experience, the counters are so strong that whoever picks later wins bot heavily. That's why bot goes 10/0 or 0/10. Unless the enemy support is troll / autofilled.

AMADEUSdotEXE7/2/2019, 9:01:36 PM1 votes

"How did you forget Poppy 's new W?"

-- Kalista Katarina (screaming in ban phase)