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PSA: Your will to surrender is no more important than my will to keep playing the game out

Downie Dave·2/16/2017, 9:50:28 PM·120 votes·5,009 views

I'm sure I'll get insta-downvoted to all hell here because this is an incredibly unpopular opinion (or at least the boards makes it look like it) and that's fine, but I just wanna let everyone know that just because YOU want to surrender does not mean that we should.

  • Sometimes my choice to not surrender isn't because I think we can win but because I'm still legitimately having fun regardless of the outcome.

  • Sometimes I don't surrender because I know I can carry the game if I just farm up and stay out of trouble. Sometimes I'm wrong. Sometimes I'm right.

  • Sometimes I don't surrender because the enemy team is full build and our team had 5 items and is about to even out in power and their lead wont mean anything anymore.

  • Sometimes I don't surrender because being someone who gives up when the going gets tough isn't who I am as a person.

  • Sometimes I don't surrender because I get killed during an early invade by Lee or Graves or some shit, and I have to make sure that they know that they appear to be confused if they think that I'm not gonna make them spend the rest of their game regretting that decision. Karma's a bitch.

  • Sometimes I don't surrender because I'm playing a champ I have an incredibly high winrate with and I know I can run down the enemy team when I hit my powerspike.

  • Sometimes I don't surrender because I'm naturally good with people, know how to be a good leader, and have a firm grasp of human psychology which allows me to rally my teammates and LITERALLY CHEERLEAD US TO VICTORY. Some people think the "we can do it!" mindset is annoying but at the end of the day, I'm the one getting LP, so who's really winning here? ( "gj, ty, np, it's alright man you got this, lol please senpai carry me harder, good shit guys, Faker is that you?, and damn guys save some for me!" has netted me HELLA FREELO.)

  • Sometimes I don't surrender because this is ranked. Don't expect me to. Even if I'm more likely to be struck by lightning than win this ranked game, I'm still gonna play it out. Last season I ended with a ~70% winrate on Sona after 148 games by hard carrying from B5 up to S1. If I agreed to surrender every time the vote came up because our chances looked slim and I "didn't wanna waste time and just get into another match" my 70% would've been a lot closer to 50% instead.

  • Sometimes I don't surrender because the enemy said something cocky like "so you scrubs gonna FF already? I'm bored" and Momma ain't raise no bitch so I gotta come back and cuck these kids and make them eat their words.

  • And finally, Sometimes I don't surrender because even though you think it's a waste of YOUR time to keep playing a game that appears to be lost, I think it's a waste of MY time to look for a game, get dodged on twice in ban phase, go through champ select, load them game, and then play for 20 minutes and say "you know what? I'm not feeling this" and just give up. We are both equals. Neither of our opinions, beliefs, wants, or needs are more important than the other's, so if given a choice between my beliefs and yours, you cant really blame me for picking mine, just like i cant blame you for picking yours.

Oh and INB4 the obvious comment of "yeah well when bot lane feeds 0/10 and my top laner feeds, and my JG never ganks even though I've been ganked 7 times, but my bronze team thinks they can always win and won't ff," OF COURSE I'm gonna FF if the score is 4/38. I'm not an idiot. Anyways guys good luck in your climb, and thanks for reading. Hopefully this post clarified the mindset of someone like me who is reluctant to click "yes" on the FF vote.

143 Comments

Golden Tager X2/16/2017, 11:37:20 PM28 votes

Sometimes I won't surrender so that my 0/10/0 Yasuo has to sit in the mess he made.

Oleandervine2/16/2017, 9:57:57 PM19 votes

I applaud you, but there are points when no amount of cheerleading will save your team, and that's the point to call it quits. Persisting with a failing game, when your team's one step away from rage quitting is not the appropriate approach to the surrender vote. You still have to have a grip on the climate of your team, and if they're ramping up in flame and vitriol, just vote yes and move on.

I have been in every situation you mention, and I've often voted no for various reasons myself - but I do not blindly swing one way or the other, I take surrender votes as they come. I determine if it's good to carry on with the game, if my team is fit to continue, or if it's just a colossal waste of my time, and if I'm having fun. If I can't justify continuation of the game, I vote yes, because I don't really care to be locked in for another 10-20 minutes with people frothing at the mouth with rage.

Fearsome Critter2/17/2017, 2:44:15 AM12 votes

I told my team that they must not have watched the Super Bowl.

Nameless Voice2/16/2017, 10:02:10 PM8 votes

It's quite simple.

If you don't surrender, you have a small chance of gaining MMR. If you do surrender and play another game, you are guaranteed to have lost MMR and have to play a "pointless game" that can, at best, only get you back the lost MMR.

(Intentionally not saying "LP" because then someone will point out that they gain more LP than they lose.)

Inuyasha999992/17/2017, 5:38:30 AM7 votes

surrendering is griefing and a bannable offense imo

Proxy3452/17/2017, 6:29:28 AM7 votes

IF YOU WANT A WIN THEN YOU GOTTA BEAT IT OUT OF ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Totally was necessary to post that in all caps because of the defeatist mentality spreading like ebola lol

ltmetal2/17/2017, 5:42:08 PM6 votes

Sometimes I don't surrender because the enemy said something cocky like "so you scrubs gonna FF already? I'm bored" and Momma ain't raise no bitch

Too real.

The Ecdysiast2/16/2017, 10:57:53 PM6 votes

Except for the fact that your will to continue is treated as far more important, when they're in fact equal.

Speaking from the side that needs only a 40% vote to beat the other 60% is the highest amount of bias you can bring to the argument.

You simply think you're entitled to a fair match when you've used your vote to screw over the majority. Which isn't the case. They've no obligation to continue to help you when you've shown you aren't a team player.

KVbqbFsC8e2/17/2017, 1:48:21 AM4 votes

Unfortunately for you, if you insist on wasting everybodys time, I can always just open.

Leonerdo2/17/2017, 12:16:21 AM3 votes

I think most of the pro-surrender threads are really just attacking people who #NeverSurrender. You're free to disagree with a surrender vote... that's why it's a vote. It's just annoying when some people don't respect the 4/38 score or even 0/9001 score, because surrendering goes against their principles or whatever.