PSA: Lee Sin sits at the lowest rate of all junglers, 46/46; 45%

I GANK LANES·Mar 14, 2016·6 votes·808 views

Keep bitchin that he's op, Lee needs buffs. Been sayin this for months. Reduced CD on e w/ level, small AD scaling on w, somethin

14 Comments

Dominick DestineMar 14, 20164 votes

Win--rate-in-isolation argument.

Epic fail.

LaughingStaplerMar 14, 20162 votes

Lee is shit for 99% of players.

StellafreyjaMar 14, 20162 votes

Because he has a 22% play rate. He may have a low win rate, but the sheer amount of bad Lee Sin players drags his win rate down.

PennsMar 14, 20161 votes

https://i.gyazo.com/67d41e86b1accdfa3adc361a4fad383f.png

Zero Skill TankMar 14, 20161 votes

Yeah, for a hard-to-play champion only for extremely mechanically gifted players he was told to be for years, 46% winratio at 22% pickrate is still way, way too much.

blobs2Mar 14, 20161 votes

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Yeah, for a hard-to-play champion only for extremely mechanically gifted players he was told to be for years, 46% winratio at 22% pickrate is still way, way too much.

u seem to lack basic ability to read graphs, try again

Bladerunner7777Mar 14, 20162 votes

Buffs? No

Is there reason to complain about him though? Not really

Whenever everyone is complaining about Lee/Vayne/Riven then you know the meta is relatively balanced

ApocylipticMar 14, 20161 votes

Logic and statistics mean nothing on these boards.

BaunjoMar 14, 20161 votes

Lee has a low win rate because bronze and silver players pick him up and want to make plays but suck. Yes, I have indeed partaken in this

I GANK LANESMar 14, 20162 votes

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Lee has a low win rate because bronze and silver players pick him up and want to make plays but suck. Yes, I have indeed partaken in this

that'd be great except champion.gg only keep statistics of people plat+ and people w/ over 125 games on him still don't even win 50% of games

AdaloreMar 14, 20161 votes

So when you reference it...State your sources in the post.

Assuming you actually have a decent source is poor form for arguments based on statistics.

BaunjoMar 14, 20161 votes

Sorry kiddo, but part of research is to use more than 1 source. Sounds like you are biased ;)

AbyssphereMar 15, 20161 votes

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Sorry kiddo, but part of research is to use more than 1 source. Sounds like you are biased ;)

There aren't really any sources that provide information as in-depth as champion.gg. You could look at LolKing for his win rate in each tier, but they wouldn't tell you anything about win rate by experience, for example. It's hard to use more than one source for discussions like this because champion.gg is the only well-known website that provides the necessary information for the discussion. You either have to argue under the pretense that champion.gg is wholely accurate or just say "Well we can't know for sure". It seems better to argue off of one source than zero.

Problem is that we know champion.gg can be inaccurate at times. Riot have said on multiple occasions that Cassiopeia's win rate is actually 2-3% higher than champion.gg says, and who knows what other errors there are.

I GANK LANESMar 15, 20161 votes

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