Are supports only ment for bot lane with ADC?

yonggon·Nov 16, 2016·2 votes·2,650 views

Are supports only ment to support ADCs? If so why can't they support mid, top or jg?

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I hate my ADCNov 16, 20164 votes

Because Support is a role.

If you want to play Mid Support, than it isn't Support. It is a completely different role. Call it whatever you please like "Keeper" or "Defender", but don't call it "Support".

ChixDigSupportsNov 16, 20161 votes

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Because Support is a role.

If you want to play Mid Support, than it isn't Support. It is a completely different role. Call it whatever you please like "Keeper" or "Defender", but don't call it "Support".

I agree. [slayer-jinx-wink]

Mysticman89Nov 16, 20163 votes

Mid lane is short so they don't need support. Bot lane is near dragon, so the extra player should be there.

edit: Additionally, adcs scale with gold more so than levels, so having someone leeching xp isn't as big a deal as with mage who scale hardest with levels.

MimyNov 16, 20162 votes

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Mid lane is short so they don't need support. Bot lane is near dragon, so the extra player should be there.

edit: Additionally, adcs scale with gold more so than levels, so having someone leeching xp isn't as big a deal as with mage who scale hardest with levels.

What if bot lane did go Mid.. and Mid.. went Botlane?

I know I know.. "You gonna force a midlaner to 1v2 a botlane"

#No no.. I mean just imagine if they were indeed swapped.

Then a Support COULD Roam to Bot and Top. Easily. and Support the team without leaving his ADC alone for more than a Minute. (Because Midlanders have to roam in a time span of a minute to not miss CS)

The support could also easily collaborate with the jungle ON EITHER SIDE OF THE MAP than to really set up some nice plays!

As a Support I tend to roam to mid as my ADC backs and sometimes this allows me to help my Mid get a Kill, but I can't do anything to help my Toplaner. or my jungle in top side jungle.

I feel like If I was able to roam from mid I would have a bigger impact on the game.

#Plus its not like Dragon is that much farther from mid..

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 16, 20162 votes

its not like lane swaps arent or werent part of legit pro strategy and playing 2 vs 1 and jungle goes to the the duo lane and push for 1st tower blood

MimyNov 16, 20161 votes

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its not like lane swaps arent or werent part of legit pro strategy and playing 2 vs 1 and jungle goes to the the duo lane and push for 1st tower blood

I know I know.. but as a Support I just wish.. I was middle with my ADC because it would be funny to ask the adc, "You cool for a minute?" and then go off WITH the jungle and head top lane.. xD

Or as the Jungler heads top/ bot.. I could head to the other lane.. xD Stun ready and everything if the other Mid Duo is aced of course..

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 16, 20161 votes

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I know I know.. but as a Support I just wish.. I was middle with my ADC because it would be funny to ask the adc, "You cool for a minute?" and then go off WITH the jungle and head top lane.. xD

support mid lane kinda makes sense due to the roaming and warding. objective control you could legit effect all 3 lanes and jungle by being centralized on the map and the duo mid could force an easy mid turret creating alot of map control and game play. and just as the support could effectively roam the laner could do so as well ... so you potentially could see 3 man roams and ganks from mid with duo lane and jungler

MimyNov 16, 20161 votes

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support mid lane kinda makes sense due to the roaming and warding. objective control you could legit effect all 3 lanes and jungle by being centralized on the map and the duo mid could force an easy mid turret creating alot of map control and game play. and just as the support could effectively roam the laner could do so as well ... so you potentially could see 3 man roams and ganks from mid with duo lane and jungler

And Midlanders can Stop crying that when ADCs come mid all their CS is gone. xD I see a lot of mid laners QQ about this when everyone groups mid they can't CS and like people say they're "level Dependant"

So giving them a lane that may be more "Ignored" because with a Duo in the short lane people will be more focused on Mid.

So those mages can CS more freely?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 16, 20161 votes

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And Midlanders can Stop crying that when ADCs come mid all their CS is gone. xD I see a lot of mid laners QQ about this when everyone groups mid they can't CS and like people say they're "level Dependant"

So giving them a lane that may be more "Ignored" because with a Duo in the short lane people will be more focused on Mid.

So those mages can CS more freely?

well the thing is you can play any champ you want mid and put the solo laners top and bot and the can still scale and get solo gold & experience

if you wanna mid mage with a support , or bruiser n support ( use to be meta bot lane ) or adc n support mid which ever is fine based on match ups and what favors your team... also it would be easier to leash jungle that way...

oh and the duo jungle thing existed in pro play where the top laner and jungler would duo jungler for a while and then after a while the top laner would go to whatever lane based on swaps/match ups

MimyNov 16, 20161 votes

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oh and the duo jungle thing existed in pro play where the top laner and jungler would duo jungler for a while and then after a while the top laner would go to whatever lane based on swaps/match ups

This is weird shit that I love seeing. I feel bad for Support Singed I won't get too into that sense everyone's sick of it.. but it's like...

The weird shit that works is what makes this game fun for me!

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 16, 20161 votes

but you arent allowed to have fun on league... you must take it very seriously and only copy and do whatever one else does and play the same 25 champs and only strong champs with a certain build/role

and if you do anything to have fun and enjoy the game your seen as a troll... and you get the mob after you with their pitch forks and torches trying to lynch you

the Singed support player was ranked as high as play with a 53% win rate but gets riot threatening to perma ban him...

FairyfleurNov 16, 20162 votes

It's what he did in _the game _ that got him banned, not his pick.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 16, 20162 votes

and what did he do? win higher then 50% climb to plat? use a non meta strategy ? explained it to his team in champ select prior to doing it?

FairyfleurNov 16, 20161 votes

It was playing toplane that got him to plat for the most part, not supporting. He only copy-pasted a paragraph in the chat, and was going to use his strategy whether they agreed or not.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 16, 20161 votes

they dont have to agree ideally... he wasnt trolling he wasnt intentionally feeding or trying to lose... he would try to invade enemy jungle to take their buff or kill if not both... and it would set them behind... while making his junger get ahead indirectly yes it kinda hinders the adc bot but if they are aware of this they play safer... and being solo lane you gain 100% experience in lane and level faster so therefore his adc if they are safe would scaling faster then the enemy bot lane sharing experience and then he would gank top or mid depending which if they make the enemy blow summoners or dies/ backs it puts the solo laner ahead

he has a positive win rate... if he was trolling and trying to intentionally lose he wouldnt have a win rate higher then 50%

FairyfleurNov 17, 20161 votes

It doesn't matter if you win or not, it matters if you have your team's permission to do something like he did. He used a strategy his team was not on board with, but he did it anyways.

I hate my ADCNov 16, 20161 votes

*You aren't allowed to have fun at the expense of other players on your team.

Just like you aren't allowed to have fun throwing bags of dog poop at people in the park.

Something called pissing in other people cornflakes.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 16, 20162 votes

53% win rate in plat rank ... so he was the reason and the only reason why his team lost games that he was part of?

I hate my ADCNov 16, 20161 votes

Nobody gives a shit about his win rate. You could have 80% win rate, doesn't mean you have the right to ignore the rules and do whatever you want. He was ruining the game for his ADC by forcing him into a 1v2, doesn't matter if you win or not in the end, doesn't make that ADC's game fun. And telling people what you are going to do doesn't give you free pass to do it if they didn't agreed to it.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 16, 20162 votes

what rules? he played to win ... playing off meta isnt against the rules

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 16, 20162 votes

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player

http://imgur.com/qE2luk5

MimyNov 16, 20161 votes

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but you arent allowed to have fun on league... you must take it very seriously and only copy and do whatever one else does and play the same 25 champs and only strong champs with a certain build/role

and if you do anything to have fun and enjoy the game your seen as a troll... and you get the mob after you with their pitch forks and torches trying to lynch you

the support player was ranked as high as play with a 53% win rate but gets riot threatening to perma ban him...

I can't with a clean conscience, do that.. Well I can, but it's sooo dry... Like I can only Play Soraka or Sona before I want that ONE Teemo Support game..

#But sadly I can't do that anymore..

My poor shrooms. Preseason hit me soo hard, even the "Bronze Players" are countering me! D:

But in al seriousness... Support mid sounds amazing. Midlanders won't agree with it.. but..

We need more Supports right?

Well one of the most Frequent complaints about Supporting is that they can't Affect their team enough. Because they're stuck in botlane while the midlaner is bearly hanging on.. top is 0/5 the jungler is 0/3 the enemy toplane Riven is 7/0 at 15 minutes in..

If supports had the roaming potential to go anywhere. They would feel more like they're doing something for their team.. Granted Supports would then have ALOT more responsibility..BUT...

#It would put that role in the spotlight and perhaps more people would be Willing to do it?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 16, 20161 votes

i will list no meta champs i have played at support and won with no joke :

Ashe DrMundo Galio Garen Gragas JarvanIV Malphite Maokai Nasus Nunu Renekton Shen Teemo Trundle Volibear Yorick Ziggs

and some now meta supports who werent when they started support

Annie Morgana Nautilus Sion

MimyNov 16, 20161 votes

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i will list no meta champs i have played at support and won with no joke :

and some now meta supports who werent when they started support

Nautlius Support is Amazing.. I LOVE NAUT MAINS.. like.. YES...

When Im ADC it's like my HEAVEN SENT SUPPORT..

TRUNDLE! OMG.. He should be meta.. I saw a really good trundle Support just always catch me out with that pillar and I could move and my Support couldn't do anything..

it was Horrifyingly amazing

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 16, 20161 votes

but its common to see naut now, trundle ( both played in PRO play)

shen support wasnt meta but its common place now.

sion support has highest win rate of +56%

http://champion.gg/

and oh MF SUPPORT IN WORLDS was OFF META

MimyNov 16, 20161 votes

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but its common to see naut now, trundle ( both played in PRO play)

shen support wasnt meta but its common place now.

sion support has highest win rate of +56%

http://champion.gg/

and oh MF SUPPORT IN WORLDS was OFF META

I loved MF Support I actually did that with a friend but as a Kalista ADC.

Something about the Synergy of Love shot and Kalista's Passive of doing damage to the target you both attack together..

Needless to say.. it was actually pretty broken... and we abused it in our normals for a short time..

I hate my ADCNov 16, 20162 votes

He already gave you the reason. Because Mid lane is short. The Support is bot lane instead of top lane because the Dragon is bot side and it makes the most sense on a strategic point of view.

it is also why Top and Bot are interchangeable to a point and pro players often swap lanes when their lane opponent is too oppressive for them to properly farm.

Mid lane being short, it is the safest lane of all and that's why you don't need more safety there.

That's also why you have bruisers, tanks and other safe champions at the top lane, so they can deal with potential ganks. Having a squishy ADC or APC up there by themselves is like having a kick me sign glued to your back for the enemy jungler to see. Just like having a lonely ADC down there is a death warrant.

MimyNov 16, 20161 votes

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He already gave you the reason. Because Mid lane is short. The Support is bot lane instead of top lane because the Dragon is bot side and it makes the most sense on a strategic point of view.

it is also why Top and Bot are interchangeable to a point and pro players often swap lanes when their lane opponent is too oppressive for them to properly farm.

Mid lane being short, it is the safest lane of all and that's why you don't need more safety there.

That's also why you have bruisers, tanks and other safe champions at the top lane, so they can deal with potential ganks. Having a squishy ADC or APC up there is like having a kick me sign glued to your back for the enemy jungler to see.

I didn't talk about the support going top.. I was talking about the potential of the support being more of a "Fun" role if it had the ability to work the game from the mid lane and have the ability to "Support" the TEAM more efficiently..

#MrFawknSunshine (NA) support mid lane kinda makes sense due to the roaming and warding. objective control you could legit effect all 3 lanes and jungle by being centralized on the map and the duo mid could force an easy mid turret creating alot of map control and game play. and just as the support could effectively roam the laner could do so as well ... so you potentially could see 3 man roams and ganks from mid with duo lane and jungler

I hate my ADCNov 16, 20161 votes

Support mid doesn't make more sense. Most mid lane champions are a hella lot better at ganking than supports are due to having an early advantage from their level scaling. Sure, you could 2 man roam, but an ADC doesn't add much value to early ganks unless they are already in the fight from the start due to their poor early game. Warding outside bot lane and dragon only matter when the mid game hit and laning phase is over. There is no baron pre-20 and even if there was, nobody would do it.

And again, mid lane is a safe haven, it is meant for a solo champion because they don't need the extra protection.

MimyNov 16, 20161 votes

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Support mid doesn't make more sense. Most mid lane champions are a hella lot better at ganking than supports are due to having an early advantage from their level scaling. Sure, you could 2 man roam, but an ADC doesn't add much value to early ganks unless they are already in the fight from the start due to their poor early game. Warding outside bot lane and dragon only matter when the mid game hit and laning phase is over. There is no baron pre-20 and even if there was, nobody would do it.

And again, mid lane is a safe haven, it is meant for a solo champion because they don't need the extra protection.

A Mid ADC could benefit from Mini Barron.

and Imagine if as a Support I bought a item 3512 to help him push a little bit more.

That "Short" lane would be GONE!

Most mid lane champions are a hella lot better at ganking than supports are

OH REALLY?!

Thresh Leona Karma Annie Alistar Nautilus Sona Veigar Support (Ive seen it) Zilean Zyra

I would imagine be a HELL OF A LOT BETTER GANKERS THAN Yasuo Akali Cassiopeia Heimerdinger Orianna

Some of those Supports have CC on their Regular abilities while most Mids Have to do something Special for their CC like Charge it up... or use their ultimate!

I hate my ADCNov 16, 20161 votes

I'm done trying to explain.

You'd think that after 13 years since DotA was released, it would be set in stone why there are 2 players at bot lane and not other lanes in maps using the DotA format but nooo. Still got people trying to reinvent the wheel by making it square.

MimyNov 16, 20161 votes

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I'm done trying to explain.

You'd think that after 13 years since DotA was released, it would be set in stone why there are 2 players at bot lane and not other lanes in maps using the DotA format but nooo. Still got people trying to reinvent the wheel by making it square.

Hey.. things change, meta changes.. not my falt your a salty old grandpa who won't give new things a try.. xD

I hate my ADCNov 16, 20161 votes

It has nothing to do with trying new things. Meta does change, but until the mid lane starts without the first tier turret or something just as game-changing as that happens, you'll always have a solo laner at mid lane. It's called logic, strategy, plain old obvious and the reason to the existence of the very role called Mid.

If you want to lose more game because you think Mid support should be a thing, be my guess.

GeminiRuneNov 16, 20163 votes

It's not that they're meant to be. It's just how the metagame has formed. A support naturally finds the best cohesion with a bot lane partner. Fully supporting the developed solo lanes would sponge valuable experience from them. Running a double jungle strategy would do the same thing and bring either you or the primary jungler down later on. Since the bottom lane has the most vulnerable players on top of the higher objective early game, it draws the support to back up the carry in lane.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 16, 20162 votes

as a support player i am not the adc's support I AM THE TEAMS SUPPORT and i will do what i need to do to support my team and help all members however i can

MimyNov 16, 20162 votes

A Support is Supposed to Support the whole team in the long run. The reasons why you go bot lane is because everyone else is "Level dependant" or so they say and that ADCs only scale off "Items"

Because they're level dependant the top, mid, and jungle needs their farm EXP all to themselves. So we go botlane with the the person who's Supposed to "CS Perfectly" to get all their needed items.

And ~~Slaves ~~ "Supports" are "Suposed" to buy the following items... item 3069 item 3092 item 3401 item 2303 item 2302 item 2301 item 3060 item 3504 item 3158 item 3109 item 3222 item 3190 item 3056 item 3800 item 3107 item 3050 item 3512 item 2045

SNSD SunnnyNov 16, 20161 votes

jungle ivern is basically a secondary support

UsiTsukinoNov 16, 20161 votes

Eh... Onastacia, just some questions.

If you want Supports to be played in mid lane:

-What are you going to do, when the jungler (Volibear, Udyr, Naut, Xin) comes at you with the enemy mid laner, and decide to dive you?

-How you will be defending mid turret with no wave clear spells? Just imagine yourself being a Nami, and trying to defend the turret by throwing bubbles at the minion wave.

-What if the Udyr says "I don't give a Tahm about this ZZRot" and dives you anyway?

Sona is probably the most... reliable support to go mid and "hold" the turret. She has that Q that hurts, and sustain with Heal.

But try playing Thresh, Janna, Nami... If the enemy jungler is smart, he will laugh in your face.

You will eventually lose first turret for free, and if the enemy mid laner harrased you a lot, well...