Back when there was a yasuo witch hunt, we had a post like this on the r/yasmains subreddit. I found it to be a very interesting discussion, and the changes discussed there actually made live (having armor pen tied to crit was proposed there).
To that end, let's have a discussion about Ahri's current state (is she weak, balanced, up, or OP) and perhaps propose some changes if you think she needs it
Linna Excel2 votesI think Ahri is benefiting by the shorter games as well has some of her counters having been screwed over in the MYMU and assassin updates.
Really my opinion is there's probably other champions that need more attention than her.
GULAG 4 U1 votesOppressive as in annoying or Overpowered? And lolking is very inaccurate actually, her actual pickrate is 20% according to http://lolalytics.com/champion/Ahri/. She is also ranked challenger tier according to the site. She is probably overpowered.
Linna Excel1 votesOkay, if a non-champion.gg site has her at 20% I'll believe it. Still, you see champions with a 20% pick rate in other lanes, so that alone isn't something I'd call enough to be a problem.
I'd say oppressive is mixture of overpowered and lacking counterplay.
GULAG 4 U1 votesBut overpowered and lack of counterplay are very different things. You can't but both in the same boat tbh.
GULAG 4 U1 votesThere's still a witch hunt going on with Yasuo. It's just minor now : ^)
Rock MD1 votesShe's really good in solo queue because you know one of your teammates will rarely feed, and that's fucking huge in and of itself.
She's good in competitive because Riot decided to add what I call a Gate (because your best damage/utility output is gated behind a specific requirement, like having to wait a second for Viktor's aftershock) or flat out nerfs to a lot of top tier champions' abilities. Since Ahri's gates (landing skillshots and the front/backswing of her Q) are quite lowand she can easily outplay others', it comes as no surprise she does well against them.
That being said, the best thing to do would probably be to reduce her safety, since that is causing the most frustration, and since it's more of a lower end of the ladder issue it'll be less impactful on the competitive level, and her issues aren't prevalent in competitive at all since it requires her being at a 54% winrate in solo queue for her to be as good of a competitive pick as the 47% Viktor.
Possible fixes would be -Mana cost nerfs -Sustain reduction (not recommended) -Increase ulti CD -Remove Q MS buff
Rákãñ1 votesMy thoughts? People just want to rant for the sake of ranting.
Threads crying for nerfs always existed. You can just google them and find endless of searches through each year Ahri been released in the game.
2011: http://forums.euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=538174 2012: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1680279 2013: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3774419 2014: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4828784 2015: http://forums.euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2097565&page=1 2016: http://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-en/WQ4fqG8u-ahri-needs-nerf
You can see what Riot did even with these threads going on.
Patch History
http://lol.gamepedia.com/Ahri_-_The_Nine-Tailed_Fox#1.131
Even mentioning she's a decent pick in pro play in the LCS.
2016: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKr-71DJbXo 2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLoeByy5ylE 2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjFDSlpTC4o 2013: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeUkrzMYfn8
Win rates and play rates? I personally don't care. ---Personally, I focus on more logical reasons.
Another thing is that she is a jack of all trades kind of champion. She can do plenty of things, but doesn't really excel at them. Other than play and win rates, There isn't much logical reason for nerfs in my view at least. Anyone can delete someone when fed properly and mid laners are known to burst down squishy carries/supports with ease.
Wînter Fox1 votesWhile I despise the witch hunt threads from people who just foam at the mouth seeing 54%, I agree she might be a little strong. I'd recommend first lowering her base stats like her base movespeed and base health regen - that way she's more reliant on using her Q effectively for both positioning and sustain.
Hexs Fortune1 votesAhri is fine. People are just looking to complain over something
Best princess EU1 votesI wouldn't mind ahri having a harder laning phase, right now she seems to be zed before his rework able to lane against everyone
just don't do anything to her teamfight because it isn't the problem
