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You know why Fizz is so terrible to play against?

Spicy Rice··67 votes·5,285 views

In truth, it's not his mobility. Its 2 things.

1: Some of his passive statistics, and this is specifically for fizz

2: the power he can pull out without building much damage. (this relates to alot of assassins, looking at you zed)

Aight, for point 1. Fizz has so many things that are going for him that are perfect for an assassin, or any melee in general. He has 0 unit collision, a high auto range for a melee, and a high movespeed. Now most have one or the other, but all 3 on 1 champ is excessive

For point 2. Fizz's kit and its ratios make it so that he can pull an impressive amount of damage, with minimal ap. Most of the time, he can kill you in 1 combo at level 6 with nothing but a sheen (which gives no ap) and a dorans ring. Now this is a problem for many assassins as they are supposed to be weak without items, but destroy when they can get farmed up. By having assassins who can do this kind of damage without needing to farm up, mages are made obsolete as they just can't compete

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KVbqbFsC8e44 votes

Maybe those are some legit reasons, but lets be honest, the reason he's terrible to play against is the 4 second CD troll pole.

Beldair2 votes

Anivia laughs at his pole....She'll just wait for him to fall and stun him plus E...boom, half his health XD.

P0IS0N IVY19 votes

A smart Fizz doesn't pole until he sees Anivia E.

Spicy Rice49 votes

A smart fizz poles, sees the e, and poles again

Malix Farwin3 votes

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A smart fizz poles, sees the e, and poles again

sorry but there is currently no way to make fizz E cd down to 0-1 seconds. If he poles and then anivia E then at best he will burn his zhonyas for no reason.

Zarvanis12 votes

It was hyperbole about the cooldown being too short for an Ultimate-level skill.

Mecha MaIphite3 votes

It isn't ultimate level. It's strong and really annoying but it isn't ultimate level.

Ackelope7 votes

If they stuck some more damage on it, and gave it some cool effects, I doubt anyone would really doubt that being an ult of someone. Maybe buffed the untargetability time a bit.

theragingnerd3 votes

so add cool affects to a basic ability? well i'm pretty sure you could turn anything into a ultimate

Ackelope2 votes

Eh, add cool effects to Ezreal's Q, and give it a longer cooldown, don't think that'd make much of an ultimate. My point was that Fizz's E is very close to an ultimate ability in strength, and barely needs anything stuck on it to be an ultimate ability, especially relative to what you'd have to do to other abilities to make them that strong.

theragingnerd2 votes

no you'd just have corki ult that reduces cd's ack

Beldair2 votes

But Anivia's stun lasts long enough that she can through out the E before he has a chance to pole.

Llanite1 votes

A not-so-dumb Anvia then Q him after and he dies horribly.

P0IS0N IVY1 votes

Uh........Fizz don't care about your Q at that point bro.

Llanite1 votes

The thing that does 250 + 1 AP, stun and slow you? Yes, everyone cares.

P0IS0N IVY1 votes

That one spell that isn't going to kill Fizz. And he has everything but his trollpole for you.

So why would he care about it?

Llanite1 votes

Besides getting stuned for 2s and the bird simply walks away.

P0IS0N IVY1 votes

That's what his Q is for.

And Flash Frost only stuns for 1 sec. And you said above that Fizz would die after being Q'd. Do you even play Anivia?

Llanite1 votes

No, I said "he'll die horribly", not "eat one Q and die".

Getting Q then under R will take 50-60% of his health, if he starts the fight at 75% HP, QR+Ignite will kill him.

P0IS0N IVY1 votes

"A not-so-dumb Anvia then Q him after and he dies horribly."

Yeah you said he dies. Not he will die.

You act like Fizz is just sitting there taking all your damage. Fizz is in favor in a 1v1.

Quit trolling man.

Llanite1 votes

If you hit your Q, he's stunned and cannot do anything.

If you can't hit your Q, he's a better player. You are to blame.

P0IS0N IVY1 votes

When did I say anything about Anivia not hitting Q?

It's doesn't matter if you hit the Q because Fizz is mobile and Fizz definitely won't die as soon as you hit it.

He has spells of his own and don't forget that your health is going down this whole time.

Llanite1 votes

If you hit your Q with R active and ignite, by the time he walks out of the R, he will be dead or seriously low and have to recall. Feel free to check it yourself.

Without his E, there is no way Fizz can get into range to Q, your R out-ranges his.

If he flashes, you are expected to flash as well, don't bring the silly "He has everything perfectly lined up and I have nothing".

P0IS0N IVY1 votes

Was this not the reason why you started arguing in the first place? You don't have your R. You used it with your E. That's why Fizz went in.

And what do you mean without his E? He used his E to engage onto you. Even if you had your R you can't keep it up because Fizz's ult is hard CC.

You're the only one being silly here. There's not even anything to argue about. Fizz counters Anivia. Everyone knows this.

http://www.championselect.net/champions/anivia http://www.lolcounter.com/champions/anivia/weak/mid http://www.lolcounterpicks.com/champions/5/betashowhttp://www.counterstats.net/league-of-legends/anivia

I'm just going to assume at this point you have never played Anivia.

A Miss Fortune11 votes

One of the worst things about him is his insanely high kill potential. If you don't have multiple forms of mobility/peel, you're not going to be able to get away from him and most likely will die as long as Fizz hits you with his ult. It's like a more toxic Xin Zhao.

FantasySniper24 votes

I'm all for nerfing Fizz's MS and melee range.

Make his base range 125 like every other assassin and put 25 bonus range on Seastone Trident.

charcharmunro23 votes

It more seems to be because no matter how well you deny him, he's almost always the exact same threat. 10/0 and 0/10 seems to make no difference to Fizz.

xWaters5 votes

Same with master yi... I killed him about 4 times jungling nautilus. Then late game he turns into some 3 hit monster. Not even fed by anyone on my team, and this is just one example believe me.

Choaru3 votes

I mean that is the threat of item scaling champions .3. Even if you kill them millions of times they hit a really hard power spike when given specific items.

Ralanr9 votes

My exact feelings right there. It really doesn't feel fair.

statelesskiller14 votes

the troll poll. the most toxic thing in the game.

vi ult? press E. vi ult now on full CD at the cost of 100 mana.

karthus ult? press E

gold card? E

taric stun? E

becoming untargetable is one of the most powerful things in the game. and most champions have a stipulation. lmaokai and yi need a target and put them right in the danger zone. lissandra needs a ult AND herself. vladimir sacrifices 20% of his current health pool.

fizz? PRESSUUUUUUU 100 mana. he has what amounts to TWO dashes in one ability. a aoe slow. fuck tons of damage and the ability to go over walls ALLLLLLLL in one ability

the most annoying thing about fizz is how when he kills you in lane by the time you get back his ult is off CD and he is ready to 100-0 you under your own tower and because of his troll poll there is nothing you can do cause the mini stun and the poll is going to cc you and guarantee his safety before you can do anything

its not that fizz is imbalanced. he is just a example of bad champion design

Wyrmblade3 votes

Almost any basic ability that can entirely remove an ultimate ability is bad design.

FantasySniper1 votes

Parry and spell shields aren't that bad at all. They have relatively high CDs, too. Then you get Fizz, who can dodge anything while still getting massive damage on a short CD.

PeponiPoro1 votes

He said ALMOST. ^.* I think he meant Yasuo.

FantasySniper1 votes

Yeah, Jax counts too, I guess.

PeponiPoro2 votes

So Satan our Lord and Savior to, then? Teemo

FantasySniper2 votes

Satan never really becomes invincible, he just laughs away all his worries, both spiritual and worldly, by bathing in the fresh, tormented blood of his enemies.

Only Play Darius12 votes

Have you ever tried last-hitting with Fizz? It's hard enough without the harass from your lane opponent. Melee APs like Fizz/Kat/Akali are designed around insane level 6 powerspikes because no mage is going to let them get anywhere near perfect CS for the items they would otherwise need to become an actual damage threat.

Spicy Rice9 votes

The problem there is that because of that, they can just sit around till 6, and farm champs instead of minions. It provides for very uninteresting gameplay, as the assassins, can literally just wait till they win, while the mages have to constantly harass till 6, and then play extremely passively.

I'm not saying assassins are bad, just that some of them aren't very well balanced in relation to their role

Llanite2 votes

item 3140 or summoner 21 or summoner 3 or summoner 1 saves you from all the embarrassment.

If you look for float through every matchup with zero adjustment, MOBA isn't the right game.

Ragaren7 votes

The no unit collision is one of the best passives. Definitely in this meta where my sion looks like he is possessed by the devil, just because he stepped next to a minion.

Spicy Rice4 votes

Yeah, especially after they increased the minion hitboxes, the no unit collision became a very very strong passive.

YumaS2Astral5 votes

{quoted}

Yeah, especially after they increased the minion hitboxes, the no unit collision became a very very strong passive.

I don't understand; Why is Fizz allowed to keep it, but Hecarim isn't?

Ralanr3 votes

Sion: Suus non meus mendum! Mea custodit , sicut de agente.

SnowFall7 votes

{quoted}

(this relates to alot of assassins, looking at you zed)

I'm sorry, what? Zed players don't build much damage? All they build is damage.

Spicy Rice8 votes

I mean how he has high kill potential early on without really needing items

YCitizenSnipsY1 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Zed

He is ranked 30/50 for average damage dealt among mid laners. Its sad you got as many up votes as you did while not knowing what your talking about, but your complaining about assassins, especially Zed, so you must be right.

"I mean how he has high kill potential early on without really needing items" Its almost like he was designed to do well in the early game, now ain't that some shit.

Spicy Rice2 votes

Can I just clarify, I wasn't specifically complaining about zed, but using him as an example of another assassins who suffers from some of the same balance problems as fizz.

ImmortalBloodCY4 votes

A single item 3140 /item 3139 /item 3157 item 3102 counter Fizz Ultimate.

Build them next time you lane against a Fizz.

Also item 3139 /item 3140 can cleanse Fizz Ultimate.

As for his insane powerspike.... I do agree about it.

However the only thing that I hate about him is his Playful/Trickster (E) ability, it provides 100% safe zone no matter what.

Spicy Rice12 votes

While those items do counter fizz late game, i'm focusing more on the early-mid game scenario, where most champs wouldnt be able to get those items as they would need other items to stay relavent

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