It is long overdue to look at udyr champion need serious nerfing.

Vegas Dad··1 votes·389 views

His ability to clear at lightning speed, his ability to spam low mana abilties, his ability to escape via never ending huge speed bursts and immense tanking due to his shield, and finally his monstrous dmg for having ZERO dmg items.

I get it blah blah blah udyr has no gap closer....when you have everything else he doesnt need one. I get it he isnt LCS picked, riot has nerfed MANY MANY MANY champions that never worked in LCS because they are solo pub stompers.

I am not sure there isnt a more obnoxious champion in the game and honestly udyr needs some serious nerfing. Too litle mana costs to swap stances and they are all usable to quickly in succession, too forgiving when you make stupid plays and get caught. It is the lee sin syndrome all over but instead of flashy #lcs escapes udyr just brute forces his way. Sure he can't #insec but he actually does everything else lee does and does it far better.

I am sure all the udyr fanbois will start crying and raging, but i think everyone else know udyr is beyond obnoxious and it is mindbogglingly too simply to play to be that strong and forgiving.

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TehNACHO1 votes

Just to be entirely clear, are we talking Tiger Stance or Phoenix Stance Udyr? They have two different and sometimes opposing play styles, so if you happen to only be complaining about one of his stance play styles but don't specify which one you're complaining about, you're either going to attract people to this thread who have no idea what you're actually talking about, or you're going to draw attention to the wrong stance style, fix or highlight none of the problems you have with Udyr, and still be unhappy.

Sounds like Phoenix reading into the earlier part of this post.

That in mind, I'm kinda curious where you are getting some of these ideas, like spamming low mana abilities. Especially without Blue or at least completing a gigantic mana item like item 3110 or item 3070 upgrades, he's not going to be able to spam his abilities at all, he's just going to run out of mana exceedingly quickly. Or for example, to be entirely frank, I think Shyvana has a faster clear speed than Udyr; his clear isn't that fast unless you're like a damage heavy Phoenix Stance Udyr. His shield is also fantastically small unless he's AP Phoenix Udyr.

What I really find questionable though is that despite all these complaints looking like they're focused at Phoenix Udyr, Phoenix Udyr doesn't get away with

monstrous dmg for having ZERO dmg items.

That's Tiger Udyr.

I think what the real problem is is that you're starting to associate Udyr's multiple play styles as an all-in-one package for Udyr, which is straight up the wrong way to think about it. He has multiple different play styles that can be divided between his Tiger and Phoenix Stances, and each play style has a different strength. You could accidentally be allowing your mind to think of nothing but each of Udyr's different strengths but you never noticed what kind of Udyr you're facing, and therefore what strength they sacrificed to achieve the one they have atm.

Vegas Dad1 votes

Both actually, phoenix stance does alot of dmg as well, and you just use 1 point in tiger. That said My issue is that he he incredibly tanky, incredible safe because he gets to mash turtle/bear and then does alot of dmg. He is a cancer to solo que and we all know it luckily he doenst get played alot.

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