Lee Sin & Qiyana's ult seriously deserves a harsh damage nerf...

BeatzBoyFTW·1/19/2020, 6:19:43 PM·49 votes·14,114 views

And this is considering how heavy their CC displacement is. They literally have the potential to halt the opposing team by being kicked up for a full second by a kicked Teemo, or being forced to kiss the wall thanks to Motonari Mori-wanna be, all this followed by having their health being chunked down at the same time.

No assassins should have this much crap squeezed into 1 ability. Reduce either the damage or CC duration on both champions.

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Kazekiba1/19/2020, 6:55:53 PM31 votes

Keep the damage; Remove Qiyana's stun on her R.

Assassins shouldnt have so much CC, and "3 man wall stuns" is Gnar's job. its fine if she has a max 1 second conditional stun, but Qiyana has WAY too MUCH CC and most of it is AoE. On an A S S A S S I N.

Imagine if Talon's E was a taunt and his R Feared everyone hit yb the blades. Or Kassadin had his silence still. Zed landing two+ Es together stuns the target instead of a slow If Akali could stun on both R casts, for longer than 0.33 seconds. (Granted, Eve/Ahri do ave Charm and Elise has a stun, but these are single target basic abilities and can be difficult to land. Ekko and diana are Divers more than Assassins, although theyre a mix between the classes. Shaco fear isnt really part of his damage, and is more to help stick to a target) Im not against ANY CC on Assassins, just not as much as Qiyana has)

McKuntalds1/20/2020, 3:21:59 AM12 votes

What's worse is that Lee's ult sets him up for his piss easy QQ , E , auto follow up which will kill half of the roster if he stacks damage.

Modl Ryden l1/20/2020, 8:35:37 PM4 votes

Lee Sin, yes.

Qiyana, partially.

BrokenRayquaza1/20/2020, 8:53:50 PM2 votes

As a qiyana player her damage needs to be leveled out from her ulti to her other abilities. Right now her late game is not anywhere close to what it should be because her ulti oneshots but her other abilities have crap scaling (she can still kill but not fast enough for an adc to not fight back)

StormBladeMaster1/20/2020, 10:01:36 PM2 votes

I'm not against a Qiyana ulti nerf but you need to buff her base spells. Her scalings are pure horrible. There is no point of playing an assassin who can't deal dmg.

Her passive deals 15-83 + 55% bonus AD. It's not that signifiant but it's a passive so it's okay.

Her Q deals 60-160 + 90% bonus AD. It's shitty, especially when your W isn't a damage spell. So she has 2 Q and one E but the dmg isn't good because it's bonus AD. That means in early game, you have 0 scaling. You need to buy tons of AD before the dmg become signifiant.

The bonus damage on the stone element is interesting but not enough : 36-96 + 54% bonus AD isn't big. It's okay for an element bonus but the base dmg of the spell need to be buffed.

Her W isn't a damage spell.

Her E deals 60-200 + 70% bonus AD. Same thing, it's not big.

Her ulti deals 100/170/240 + 170% bonus AD and + 10% of target max health.

The ultimate deals crazy dmg while the rest of her kit is useless and don't make dmg. For an assassin she is dissapointing. Most of the time you end up being an "ulti bot".

**I would changes the ratios and the base damage : **

Passive : 10-180 + 55% bonus AD so the element change will be more rewarded.

Q : 80-240 + 100% total AD and not "bonus".

E : 70-220 + 80% bonus AD

R : 150/225/300 + 110% bonus AD, removed stun.

And i agree for Lee sin. His ultimate deals too much.

Makarakarn1/20/2020, 7:13:57 PM1 votes

Or here's a thought: Don't give champions with massive damage CC at all.

F1uttershy20751/20/2020, 4:09:52 PM1 votes

YEa you can leave Qiyana out of it.. poor girl was my main jungle till riot gutted the hell out of her..

now she can barely clear

Lee just needs to combo.. honestly if he can't combo then hes pretty useless