"AD Malzahar will still be a decent option"

Weathered·Apr 20, 2016·3 votes·681 views

"Voidling Details: Attacks deal 21 physical damage plus 8/11/14/17/20 (+0.05) magic damage Deals triple damage to lane minions below 25% Health Will not spawn from a Voidling with less than 4 seconds left Prefers to attack targets with Nether Grasp or Malefic Visions and has 100% increased Movement Speed when seeking these targets Otherwise attacks the enemy nearest it"

Sorry about that, we made his voidlings do a flat physical amount and gave them AP scaling. We hope you didn't like AD Malz that much.

EDIT: Thanks guys and sorry for the commotion. The AD scaling wasn't written properly on Surrender@20 the first day this was released, making it show as a flat amount. False alarm and thanks for telling me.

23 Comments

SiytherApr 20, 20164 votes

the designer said on stream last night he still has ad scaling on voidlings as well

WeatheredApr 20, 20161 votes

The AD scaling isn't showing properly in the tool tip then, because it shows a look as if it was a base value rather than a scaling. Did he mention what the ratio is and if that scaling is currently on the PBE version?

SiytherApr 20, 20161 votes

sorry i dont remember but the vid was up on twitch last night maybe still is

WeatheredApr 20, 20161 votes

Thanks, I'll wait for an FF@20 update or I'll log onto the PBE. Was just a little upset because it looked like the killed AD xD

AnnoxisApr 20, 20162 votes

The AD ratio is 40%. The update seems to be a rather non-neglible buff to AD Malzahar.

RebonackApr 20, 20163 votes

They scale with 40% of Malz' total AD now rather than 100/150% of his bonus AD.

It's a nerf to AD Malz' optimal damage and a buff to his Voidling reliability. Basically, Riot is dumbing down champs again.

Pierce The VealApr 20, 20162 votes

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They scale with 40% of Malz' total AD now rather than 100/150% of his bonus AD.

It's a nerf to AD Malz' optimal damage and a buff to his Voidling reliability. Basically, Riot is dumbing down champs again.

40%. Bullshit.

That means 4 will get you 160%

Versus him having 3 voidlings out for 300%/450%

In short he was gutted?

AnomanderApr 20, 20162 votes

He really isn't gutted. You can spawn your 3 Voidling almost instantly and they get a MASSIVE attack speed buff when you get all three.

Pierce The VealApr 20, 20161 votes

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He really isn't gutted. You can span your 3 Voidling almost instantly and they get a MASSIVE attack speed buff when you get all three.

And maybe you didn't hear about how each one only gets 40% ad? And how the previous ones already got attack speed buffs? Hmm?

AnomanderApr 20, 20162 votes

Hmmm spawn one off 4 abilities or spawn 3 off 1 w cast? They have dual scalings now and don't have to survive 14 seconds to get the attack speed......

Have you tried the new malz? I have. Also the 40% goes up as you lvl w...... PBE is down right now but I believe it goes up to 50%

The first time a Voidling attacks a champion, large monster, or epic monster, or assists in killing a unit, Malzahar spawns a new Voidling with the same remaining duration. When 3 or more Voidlings are active, they all gain 100% Attack Speed.

The above is why it is SOOOO much better and why they needed to have it slightly lower scaling. When you can spawn oh so many more. Also the new ones that spawn have full health but their duration is tied to the one that spawned it.

Pierce The VealApr 20, 20161 votes

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Hmmm spawn one off 4 abilities or spawn 3 off 1 w cast? They have dual scalings now and don't have to survive 14 seconds to get the attack speed......

Have you tried the new malz? I have. Also the 40% goes up as you lvl w...... PBE is down right now but I believe it goes up to 50%

The above is why it is SOOOO much better and why they needed to have it slightly lower scaling. When you can spawn oh so many more. Also the new ones that spawn have full health but their duration is tied to the one that spawned it.

What about turre- Oh wait.

And they don't last 21 seconds anymore now do they?

AnomanderApr 20, 20161 votes

Nope they last 12 seconds... but can be resummoned with a single W......... instead of 4 abilities.....with cdr you have basically 100% uptime on voidlings.

Are you on the PBE? I am. I have tested ad malz. Esp ad malz jungle......He is better overall by quite a bit.

RebonackApr 20, 20164 votes

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40%. Bullshit.

That means 4 will get you 160%

Versus him having 3 voidlings out for 300%/450%

In short he was gutted?

Being able to drop Voidlings on demand without spamming spells and chugging mana like a crack-fiend are pretty big usability buffs. Like I said, his optimal damage is dropping dramatically (to be fair, it was rather silly) but his ease of use is going way up. This means Malz doesn't need to rush Mura anymore and can focus on maxing out his CDR ASAP for 100% Voidling uptime.

Pierce The VealApr 20, 20161 votes

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Being able to drop Voidlings on demand without spamming spells and chugging mana like a crack-fiend are pretty big usability buffs. Like I said, his optimal damage is dropping dramatically (to be fair, it was rather silly) but his ease of use is going way up. This means Malz doesn't need to rush Mura anymore and can focus on maxing out his CDR ASAP for 100% Voidling uptime.

Ease of use=/= good.

RebonackApr 20, 20161 votes

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Ease of use=/= good.

Hence my comment about dumbing down champs again.

Malz will be losing all his minion management nuance, which is a shame.

Pierce The VealApr 20, 20161 votes

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Hence my comment about dumbing down champs again.

Malz will be losing all his minion management nuance, which is a shame.

He won't even be going AD at this rate.

Also, his tower destruction powers are gone now.

RebonackApr 20, 20161 votes

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He won't even be going AD at this rate.

Also, his tower destruction powers are gone now.

No real reason to build him AD, yeah. Not with the Voidlings scaling better off AP. Riot killing off builds as usual. As the AD scaling stands right now, Malz is in a position where AD from items like Gunblade isn't bad but it isn't desirable either.

Pierce The VealApr 20, 20161 votes

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No real reason to build him AD, yeah. Not with the Voidlings scaling better off AP. Riot killing off builds as usual. As the AD scaling stands right now, Malz is in a position where AD from items like Gunblade isn't bad but it isn't desirable either.

Not that he would ever be able to fit gunblade into his build path.

AnomanderApr 20, 20163 votes

^ this... Although I think anyone has a hard time keeping up more then 2 Voidling on live right now but with the changes you can easy have 4-5 per camp.

RebonackApr 20, 20161 votes

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^ this... Although I think anyone has a hard time keeping up more then 2 Voidling on live right now but with the changes you can easy have 4-5 per camp.

Getting two Voidlings out at a time is pretty easy, actually. And getting three out at a time against Dragon and Baron are par for course. That's what made AD Malz so strong, he has THE BEST neutral objective control in the game. As you might imagine, I'm worried Riot is removing the core strength of a unique champion.

AnomanderApr 20, 20161 votes

keeping up more then 2 Voidling

Keeping up MORE then 2

He still does have great Neutral control. On pbe you can do a full clear + 1 scuttle in 4 mins. You can do a lvl 2-3 dragon solo and end with 3/4 hp. You can solo Rift Herald with blue at lvl 4....(it ain't easy) make sure to attack from behind while Voidlings tank.

AnomanderApr 20, 20163 votes

I am on the PBE. They scale with ad.

The LovelessApr 20, 20163 votes

The total AD scaling is there. Maybe it's just not in the tooltip,
You can have swarms of voidlings out as long as you stand close by to your target/enemy champion (like when ulting them or doing battle mage things)
We don't need AD Malz to be oppressive and unhealthy for the game. The current tuning is fine IMO and I've tried it twice - once jungling and once in lane.