I am so tired of the League of ADCs

Raoul·Sep 26, 2017·90 votes·4,120 views

Yes, Marksmen are supposed to be important, but they are not supposed to outclass every other damage class in literally everything.

How long until RIOT finaly wakes up and admits that the ADC itemisation is broken for ranged DPS Champions?

Just take a look at Tristanas dmg in the Game FB vs HKA: 3 Autoattacks, 3 hits for over 600 dmg each...

How long until RIOT finaly sees that critical strike is a freaking broken stat for ranged carries and has to be changed?

118 Comments

KrytoricSep 26, 201731 votes

They're meant to have consistent damage, im so tired of the boards constantly and blindly complaining about ADC being OP

Mages such as Syndra Ziggs and Taliyah can pretty much 1 shot ADC's after getting 2-3 items

Assassins such as Ekko Kayn Zed and Fizz can again pretty much 1 shot ADC's after 1-2 items

Literally any Tank that builds item 3075 item 3193 item 3800 can run an ADC down and take 0 damage

and EVERYONE can negate at least 10% of an ADC's damage with item 3047

ADC's are strong, but they're not as OP as everyone thinks, if the front line doesn't do their job the ADC will die instantly if your team has a brain. Also people seem to say "ADC's are broken" if one gets fed, but no one questions Cho'gath literally 1 shotting people while being unkillable, or syndra stacking her q (not landing them) and then ulting a squishy and insta killing them, or Kha'zix having an ability that can do like 50%+ of a squishy persons health, with a 1-2 second CD and costing 20 mana.

ADC's have just as much counter play as every other role, they all have their trade offs.

RaoulSep 26, 201726 votes

They are supposed to have consistent damage, not consistent BURST!

And sorry, 600 dmg per hit is BURST!

GlaedrSep 26, 20178 votes

So would you rather have all ADCs have way faster attacks for only 200 damage per hit or what?

Every single time this thread is created, people cry about the strength of ADCs but never have any actual ideas rather than talk about how broken crit is, despite damage distributions across pro teams showing that having a team centered around mid and top is completely viable and shut down ADCs when their strategies are played correctly.

sobi999Sep 26, 201717 votes

and they can sustain much better than any other class. If they are to have burst, then they should have no sustain like mages. Innit?

FrightningSep 26, 20176 votes

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They're meant to have consistent damage, im so tired of the boards constantly and blindly complaining about ADC being OP

Mages such as and can pretty much 1 shot ADC's after getting 2-3 items

Assassins such as and can again pretty much 1 shot ADC's after 1-2 items

Literally any Tank that builds can run an ADC down and take 0 damage

and EVERYONE can negate at least 10% of an ADC's damage with

ADC's are strong, but they're not as OP as everyone thinks, if the front line doesn't do their job the ADC will die instantly if your team has a brain. Also people seem to say "ADC's are broken" if one gets fed, but no one questions Cho'gath literally 1 shotting people while being unkillable, or syndra stacking her q (not landing them) and then ulting a squishy and insta killing them, or Kha'zix having an ability that can do like 50%+ of a squishy persons health, with a 1-2 second CD and costing 20 mana.

ADC's have just as much counter play as every other role, they all have their trade offs.

Uh...people are complaining lots about cho being as he is now, though it's really item 3193 being the busted PoS that it is atm that's making that a reality...and exists so that tanks don't feel like complete paper v. ADC DPS (or should I say BPS). Real solution is to actually buff tank items, but riot seems to think that doing so will result in 1-item power spikes for tanks being too strong....I don't see that happening even if they buffed tank items by a LOT....

It Hertz When IPSep 26, 20173 votes

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Uh...people are complaining lots about cho being as he is now, though it's really being the busted PoS that it is atm that's making that a reality

Pretty sure it's the idiotic decision to make Cho's true damage ult scale off his own max HP. There was no way that was ever going to go over well.

DemainaNyxSep 26, 20172 votes

It would be fine IF Gargoyle's didn't exist. Cause it would take him a longer time to get HP through items or stacks to oneshot people, but this item completely negates that time delay because he can double it at his leisure.

TWITCHTV ERONATESep 26, 201734 votes

it takes just item 3155 to negate like 1/4 of a mage's burst. adcs ARENT SQUISHY ANYMORE. item 3109 item 3190 are built basically every game and if the enemy adc buys any lifesteal item at all they're unkillable.

i'm not against them to deal shitloads of damage, but you can't kill them at all because mages have shit itemisation and assassins are completely dumpstered lategame (which adcs reach with zeal item and IE).

stop defending adcs, its clear this meta revolves around them.

"oh but wait they have a chogath dude he can oneshot the enemy adc" thats the dumbest shit i've ever heard. you can't say adcs are fine because if you pick chogath you can oneshot them.

i want to see how a khazix or a syndra kill an adc lategame through all the shields and damage reduction they have right now lol.

when you want people to take you seriously you leave all your bias alone because i'm 100% sure you're an adc player and actually think about the subject.

KennysDreamGirlSep 26, 20175 votes

You cant buy only vamp scepter and just survive anything..if you think that then you don't play adc

TWITCHTV ERONATESep 26, 20175 votes

i didnt say vamp scepter, i said 1 whole item (bloodthirster mainly)

ThefrostyvikingSep 26, 20172 votes

Those items are built exactly to prevent the marksman dying instantly, did you see what happened to any and all marksmen back when Syndra was strong for instance? Or before the AP item nerfs?

They died the moment they got in range, just about every time.

It's not that they "grow too tanky" with those items, it's that they actually survive a single rotation of spells with those items to help them.

Which then because item 3087 item 3094 item 3031 is OP becomes problematic......

CarreauSep 27, 20174 votes

u mean if the adc mispositions and ends up in syndra range it is a problem when he gets killed?????

apparently yes Janna item 3155 item 3812 item 3026

ThefrostyvikingSep 27, 20172 votes

It's not a matter of misposition if Syndra flashe's forward to Q-R-E and instantly kills any and all squishies in her way.

That's why she got nerfed, but her ability to, with a bit more preparation, still do that combo very much remains. Annie and some AP assassins can also do similar things just bypassing the enemy team, instagibbing a marksman with even slightly lacking defenses and thus win.

That's why it became necessary to stack defences on marksmen, and that's why, aside from the strength of their items, enhancers supports became so popular.

Because they together with the marksmans defensive items actually prevent the marksman from dying to stuff like Syndra, annie or a fizz flashing forward to drop their combo.

NineTailedMysticSep 27, 20175 votes

An underleveled ADC (compared to a solo laner) with minor resistances shouldn't be able to survive a burst mage's rotation.

AhrisSep 27, 20172 votes

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An underleveled ADC (compared to a solo laner) with minor resistances shouldn't be able to survive a burst mage's rotation.

I do agree.

PePsiLemoNNSep 26, 20175 votes

Complain about support items Complain about ADC

Choose one

TWITCHTV ERONATESep 26, 20172 votes

since when is pointing balance issues called complaining?

adcs and supports are a big power right now and that's mainly because of ardent (which is getting fixed), overabundance of cdr, cheap adc crit itemisation, way too accessible damage reduction on items and tanks having so much cc.

and if at this point you still dont believe this and call it complaining then idk man.

be fair use cheap words

choose one, i choose the first

Warwick MainSep 27, 20172 votes

Since the classes are co-dependent on one another there really isn't a need to choose one.

Hexs FortuneSep 26, 20179 votes

It's really only about half need to be looked at Tristana Twitch Vayne Lucian Kalista Jinx

Jhin MissFortune Ezreal Varus Xayah Caitlyn Corki Graves are fine right now

The hypercarry tier are the ones that are causing issues

Chembaron YamadaSep 26, 20177 votes

Caitlyn, with 45% winrate, is fine right now? She is underpowered, hence why she is getting a buff next patch.

OHminusSep 26, 20178 votes

The Cait circlejerk was the most annoying thing I've seen in years.

They cried and cried and now look at her. Worst adc in the game.

NaymlissSep 26, 20178 votes

That's because she's super unfun to lane against. She is oppressive as all hell when she's good, and she's still oppressive when she's bad. And this is coming from someone who actually plays her.

DisembarkSep 26, 201710 votes

People cried to nerf her traps.

Riot nerfs her attack speed, Q damage before addressing traps - leaving her in the gutter.

KloqdqSep 26, 20171 votes

To be fair she was single-handily one of the best ADCs for months on end and it was mostly due to her kits oppressive nature. Then they nerfed her on repeat in the wrong areas when it was her traps all along giving people issues.

Dokueki KenshinSep 26, 20172 votes

I agree with this. Make her traps killable, just like Illaoi's tentacles. Give them two hit points or something.

KloqdqSep 27, 20172 votes

honestly they nerfed the traps and I think they will be fine now. They just lasted way to long was all.

Spank the FoxSep 26, 20174 votes

She's fine by Board's standards xd

which means trashed.

OHminusSep 26, 201713 votes

Xayah needs to be added to the above list.

Buzzkillington0Sep 26, 20176 votes

Xayah is pretty fair to me, her damage is mostly tied to her feathers and if you move sideways as you are fighting her you can avoid most of it.

Big Black CrocSep 26, 20172 votes

Where the hell is draven?!!

GaliöSep 26, 20178 votes

Adcs 2017 lul

RaoulSep 26, 201716 votes

Ah yeah, that short period of time where ADCs actually had counterplay

General Esdeath Sep 26, 20178 votes

"We think marksmen should do the most damage because they're squishy, that's their weakness"

Riot just ignoring Riven Rengar Renekton Zed who get pushed out of lane by most range champs poke.

Assassins forcing adcs out? Nah better gut them. Mages preventing marksmen from going mid? Better increase their prices.

NotADCin2k17LUL

PotchikirSep 26, 20174 votes

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"We think marksmen should do the most damage because they're squishy, that's their weakness"

Riot just ignoring who get pushed out of lane by most range champs poke.

Assassins forcing adcs out? Nah better gut them. Mages preventing marksmen from going mid? Better increase their prices.

NotADCin2k17LUL

lol midlaners can still 1shot a adc

General Esdeath Sep 26, 20174 votes

Only if they can get to that build late game, which is hard this season. Even then, a GA/QSS on an ADC can prevent that one shot.

KennysDreamGirlSep 26, 20177 votes

Tristanas damage literally the same since 7.2(when she wasn't meta) only reason she is meta is because ardent supports are meta and Caitlin isn't op anymore. Lmao kinda dumb people are only now complaining about her just because she's meta when really she's been the same for a whils

RaoulSep 26, 201711 votes

The only Champions who ever outclass ADCs are other ADCs. Nothing else changes. the game has resolved around the ADC since Season 1.

SephAgroSep 26, 20175 votes

Adcs are more of problem now because every season we yet another class not a Markesman nerfed

KennysDreamGirlSep 26, 20173 votes

marksman have their problems. ad items need changes and a couple adcs could use nerfs..but the biggest problem isnt adcs or even the items i think..its enchanters abusing ardent and items like locket, knights vow and redemption that along with windspeakers just give them stupid healing and shields to keep adcs alive to do the things they need to do

SephAgroSep 26, 20177 votes

DPS? LUL I think you mean BPS (burst per second)

WrÆthSep 26, 20176 votes

mentions adc in the title 37 upvtoes yup, this is NA boards

DaedalusWeaverSep 26, 20174 votes

As an ADC main I get 1 shot in every team fight even in the backline anytime my enemy team knows how to target priorities properly.

Avios1Sep 26, 20173 votes

I'm just waiting for Runes Reforged to hit PBE.

Gonna be a crapfest, but way better than live.

RaoulSep 26, 20176 votes

As long as ranged ADCs are allowed to get critical strike, dealing 600 dmg per Autohit, nothing will change the problem. A lategame ADC can just delete every non-tank character in 2 seconds, they are better at assassinating than actuall assassins and better at poking than mages.

WarmanreaperSep 26, 20173 votes

This has got to be one of , if not the stupidest thing post on the forums.. When its assassin meta.. we want adcs buffed.. tank meta.. want adcs buffed.. we are finally just barely into an adc meta.. they wanna nerf them into the ground .. AGAIN.. Even tho 70% of the adc's aren't good late game.. and an adc is only good if u feed them.. so you have to blame yourself if you think they're op.. If you nerf ADC damage, you have to nerf mage damage and tank's resistances.. or better yet.. make it so each role of champions have their own set of items.. so people like garen cant build dusk blade, and people like ezreal cant buy frozen gaunt .. either way u do it.. any nerf will severely impact the game and set it to be unbalanced in a bad way.

RaoulSep 26, 20175 votes

Tell me one time when not having an ADC was a viable option

PotchikirOct 1, 20171 votes

When ziggs was meta When ashe was meta

Ashe is not a damage carry her damzge is low on comparison to other adcs and she is more about the utility

DuskDaUmbreonSep 26, 20171 votes

And I'm far more sick of whiny, bitchy posts like this.

Go ahead. Show me an actual video of an ADC surviving an assassin that doesn't miss everything and is roughly equal in gold. For these purposes, count GA kicking in as "dead", since that's five minutes of them not being able to go nearby that assassin without dying. Also discount obvious things, such as idiotic builds (if your assassin has Warmog's, you're a fucking idiot) or Zhonya's saving them from Zed's ultimate. I was able to bring a Twitch down to 5% hp, and he only survived because he escaped under turret and his support and jungler stopped me from finishing him.

For that matter, show me that happening from just about any burst mage. Fuck, show me them surviving a 1v1 with a juggernaut, or even a fucking Leona without sustain.

Oh...that's right... you can't. Because you're making shit up.

LichKing234Sep 27, 20173 votes

with that last part does that include them landing everything cause you can beat most juggernaunts just by kiting them you dont even need sustain unless they somehow jump on you with flash but other than that just kite them to hell since they have no gap closers Darius Garen Illaoi Mordekaiser Skarner Nasus no gap closers and dmg that can be avoided if you stay out of range and just kite if you have no sustain deal dmg and have good kiting skills you can beat them 9 times out of 10 unless they flash on you and you dont have flash or dont have your get away abilities up

leona dodge 2 of her lock down abilities and you good and kite her to hell since she has no real way outside of flash to get to you the champs you just said can be easly kited to hell if you have no sustain and have the dmg to back up your kitting.

assassians are trash unless they are fed so are burst mages but that depends on the burst mage