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Why has Mordekaiser not been nerfed yet?

Savage Câbbage·10/13/2015, 5:01:30 PM·5 votes·2,305 views

Seriously, I've never seen a champion be so broken for more then 1 patch, why has he not been nerfed yet after about 3 patches? Why has Mordekaiser not been fixed yet?

Edit: Appearantly he has been nerfed, let me rephrase: Why is Mordekaiser still so overpowered? Also, let me just say that my ranked isn't very high, so most of the times me and my team don't really know a proper way to fight Mordekaiser, and as I mostly play blind pick, we also can't counter or ban him.

26 Comments

Jbels10/13/2015, 5:05:39 PM3 votes

Riot's adopted the "He's banned too much so we don't know how strong he is" stance. I don't know about you, but a 100% win rate at worlds, plus a stupidly high banrate also at worlds is a pretty good indicator that what you've created is a toxic design. If pros are so unwilling to deal with it that Red side only gets two bans now, you've done something wrong

khorney10/13/2015, 5:04:18 PM3 votes

Because he is easy to beat is why

67chrome10/13/2015, 5:14:58 PM2 votes

Seriously, I've never seen a champion be so broken for more then 1 patch, why has he not been nerfed yet after about 3 patches?

Sounds like you haven't been playing LoL that long.

Several champions have maintained Morde-level power, and Morde's current power doesn't seem that far off from the rest of the roster. Granted, 100 pick/ban in the competitive scene: but a lot of his power also relies on a lot of team-wide communication to really access. Shen, TF, Maokai, Jayce, Nidalee, Rumble, and many other champions could make similar claims of 100% pick/ban in the past as well.

As for this:

Why has Mordekaiser not been fixed yet?

Bot-lane ADC is the only lane where you're stuck with 1 archetype and 1 archetype alone: marksman. Top-lane, Jungle, Mid-lane, and support can all be filled by at least 3 different archetypes.

Until Mordekaiser. Now there's actually a viable not-marksman choice for a bot lane carry. And I'm guessing Riot wants to collect as much data as they can on Mordekaiser so they can more accurately tweak other champions to be a viable bot-lane choice.

Malicious Metal10/13/2015, 5:06:07 PM2 votes

Because he's broken, not overpowered. It's him getting ahead with his XP lead and the snowballing from the level advantage, kill pressure and dragon clones.

This is the problem that has to be tackled, not his numbers since they're "pretty" justified by his immobility and shitty base stats.

Unlucky Number710/13/2015, 8:39:44 PM2 votes

Morde was reworked on patch 5.16. world's is on patch 5.18 just 2 weeks later. ever since the end of season 1 the meta has been support and adc bot lane. The LCS teams even have a position named adc. Morde is the first viable non marksmen adc in the game. it's a pretty big change to take in.

And the reason why he is perma picked/banned in worlds is because a large part of his kit is gated off by teamwork and effective communication. In world's it's not the bot lanes job to secure dragon and it's not the jungler's job to secure dragon. It's the teams job to secure dragon. It's also the teams job to make sure morde gets to the right targets. In world's the teamwork and communication required to bring out the best of mordenkaiser commonplace. The strategies to deal with it however, do not exist yet.

I've lost to morde some and i've also won against morde. winning against morde as a botlane takes a drastically different tactics then what i would use against any conventional botlane. losing against morde merely requires me to play like i've always played. but i have noticed a few things.

1). the time limit placed on how long you can use dragon. If you hurry you cant take the mid and bot outer turret, and inner turret and mabye deal some damage to the inhib turret but that's as far as you can go with the time limit. if you don't go to a tower immediatly after dragon your wasting a large portion of morde's strength. The bad morde's don't use dragon ghost effectively or care about dragon control.

2). he's very tanky early level but doesn't do much damage. if he has a squishy support (rare i know) kill him first then kite morde around to kill him.

3). caitlyn can poke him out early, but ashe can kite him better come lategame. in fact during lategame outside a flash 3rd q ashe can make morde worthless just by keeping him pinned to the same place.

4). graves is a horrible to pick into mordenkaiser.

5). he likes to push his lane. i had limited succes with a blitz or thresh hooking them into turret range.

6). i haven't figured out how to counter morde with a tanky engage support yet, still working on it.

EndlessSorcerer10/13/2015, 6:26:29 PM1 votes

Revert Mordekaiser's Q, W, and ultimate (I think the Dragon Ghost is gimmicky); keep his current passive and E.

With some adjustments to his base stats and the items introduced by the Juggernaut update, I would be quite happy with that.

Slamurai Jack10/13/2015, 8:56:25 PM1 votes

I ban Mordekaiser so my team can't pick it. Whenever he's on my team, the enemy team just picks a bunch of ranged champions and he's fucking useless. What is Morde supposed to do against a team that runs 3 ranged carries?

Ser Garland10/13/2015, 5:18:09 PM1 votes

Morde's in the position where if you nerf him AT ALL, he will become an automatic trash champion and sink back into Mordekaiser oblivion. His numbers have to be absurd for him to be playable, otherwise he needs a new rework with CC, and Gap closers to be competitive.

Neotrixed10/13/2015, 5:29:25 PM1 votes

His win ratio take a huge dip after 20minutes

ZephyrDrake10/13/2015, 5:31:39 PM1 votes

what? have you even looked at the patch notes? he has been nerfed quite a bit. Whether he is still too strong or not is another matter but saying things "why hasn't he been nerfed?" is stupid and shows you really don't care one bit about him being nerfed and just want attention

General Esdeath 10/13/2015, 5:35:39 PM1 votes

They don't want to hurt CertainlyT's feelings by telling him that his champ reworks are bad. Skarner isn't touched anymore, Darius and Morde are instabanned, Garen has to roam or lose lane to have his ult passive. He focuses all their power into one thing. And if that thing is nerfed (Skarner's crystal stats) they're not touched anymore.