AP Bruiser Item Concepts for Riot PhRoXz0n Once He Gets Around to His Back Burner Project

Frosted Tips·Feb 3, 2019·7 votes·3,829 views

Deathfire Grasp (Melee Only)(Rework)

50 AP

500 HP

20% CDR

Active: Mark a target, lowering their MR by 10-30% over the next 5 seconds. Your next attack on them deals 10% of their max health over 5 seconds.

Cast range 350 units

Fiendish Codex + Kindlegen + Ruby Crystal + 700 gold = 3000 gold

1087.5+1300+532=2919.5 Stat Value

Gunther's Untattered Cloak (Melee Only)

50 AP

350 HP

40 Armor

Passive: After receiving damage before mitigation of 60% of your maximum health activate __ gaining 20% tenacity, 20% haste, and 20% healing from abilities (reduced to 1/3 healing for AoE) and is active until out of combat for 3 seconds.

Blasting Wand + Ruby Crystal + Ruby Crystal + Cloth Armor + 850 gold = 2800 gold

1087.5+910+800=2797.5 Stat Value

I tried my best to make the items not broken on assassins, but the may still abuse them. What do you think?

11 Comments

BjørnetjenestenFeb 3, 20192 votes

These items will 100% be abused by tanks like Maokai Chogath Zac Gragas Sejuani who already have decent ap ratios on their abilities.

I think the passives/uniques need to be focused on pure AP scalings, so they synergize with AP-dmg items, instead of tank items. Stats like: **HP, %max-hp dmg, mr reduction, % increased healing and tenacity are extremely good for tanks. **

Tanks can basically build these items + other pure tanks items and do comparable dmg to a midgame mage while soaking pretty much the same as a full tank.

I know that AP-bruisers also need defense, but it need to come in a form that can't be abused by tanks = it can never have comparable stats to a pure tank item. Maybe something similar to item 3812 item 3161 .

wolviusFeb 3, 20191 votes

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These items will 100% be abused by tanks like who already have decent ap ratios on their abilities.

I think the passives/uniques need to be focused on pure AP scalings, so they synergize with AP-dmg items, instead of tank items. Stats like: **HP, %max-hp dmg, mr reduction, % increased healing and tenacity are extremely good for tanks. **

Tanks can basically build these items + other pure tanks items and do comparable dmg to a midgame mage while soaking pretty much the same as a full tank.

I know that AP-bruisers also need defense, but it need to come in a form that can't be abused by tanks = it can never have comparable stats to a pure tank item. Maybe something similar to .

Yeah true it would be even more appealing depending on how gold efficient the items are. Hell currently on ARAM I nearly buy RoA on every tank with AP ratios due to it having everything a tank wants, more hp than most tank items, mana, mana and health restore passive and it 150% gold efficient. many tank items don't evenreach 100% or suck for reasons (0 hp)

Also helps that you don't have to rely on your ~~chimps~~ teammates as much for damage. .......... .......... ........ That deathfires would so be abused by tank on squishies, it offers more hp than every tank item but warmogs.

Frosted TipsFeb 3, 20193 votes

Tanks need to be looked at because they have dumb ratios that make no sense and their ratios should be mainly HP, MR, and armor related instead of based around AP.
Gragas is supposed to be a fighter so he should use it well.

BjørnetjenestenFeb 3, 20191 votes

Completely agree with your points, but the chance of them doing another tank "rework" is very low, so introducing these items into the game at this state is going to be a huge mistake. Instead i think they need to go the route of higher dmg (w. AP scalings) and conditional defense along the lines of:

Old style 1v1 dmg reduction
style delayed dmg and healing
type flat dmg shield

Maybe comine one of these defensive passives with item 3057 -passive into a bruiser item: that does on-hit splash dmg like item 3748 . This would benefit AP-bruisers that also rely a-lot on AA. but also dive into enemy teams.

SaevumFeb 3, 20192 votes

Gunther's Untattered Cloak looks so good. Can't think of an ap melee abusing this except Morde.

AS I LAY FEEDINGFeb 3, 20191 votes

20% cdr yikes

Poop JohnsonFeb 3, 20191 votes

That deathfire is giving me convulsions when i think about Fizz and Diana.

Frosted TipsFeb 3, 20191 votes

Diana is a fighter so she should use it.

Anime FizzFeb 3, 20191 votes

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Diana is a fighter so she should use it.

Diana is NOT a bruiser, shes an assassin that its too tanky (because no escape).

Titanium70Feb 3, 20191 votes

Mhm - dont know.

Alot of Champs who want to build AP bruiser from time to time are not even melee.

Besides that the first one would be abused by the Assassin crew. Fizz Diana Katarina Akali Kassadin and while some of them could be fun viable Ap bruisers with this Item they still build full AP.

The second one one is quite weird. Mordekaiser would like it, i guess.
Vladimir Swain , too - occasionally. But Melee only...

While I agree, we could need some viable AP-Bruiser/Juggernaut Itemisation, I don't think those would help. It's very difficult to create Items for actuall bruisers that are not abused by Assassins or pure Mages.

We have one already but Riot refuses to tune it for SR. item 3170

thecowleyFeb 3, 20191 votes

I would really love to see a lifeline item that Sylas and Diana can use. I really want to play those two like a Darius build. But its easier/better to build them full ap and just try to nuke.