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So are you nerfing Riven any time soon or just gonna sit there letting people think they're good?

Only Mid Veigar··3 votes·1,156 views

Seriously it's getting out of hand getting a game ruined by people who think they're good because they can smash their face on their keyboard and get a pentakill.

Before any of you idiots say jack about 'hurr git gud' lets first establish why she's broken, and why you should stop playing her unless you want to be ridicules with every ounce of it that you really deserve:

Fighters should not get boatloads of free damage and survivability. Fighters should not have access to free mobility skills that can out-dash most assassins and chaser champs. Fighters should not have huge range executes that overscale. Fighters should not have multiple low-cooldown AoE CC effects.

Riven is the most mobile champion in the game, with some of the most ridiculous dueling and teamfighting utility ever. She has massive aoe damage, single target damage, and is virtually unkillable with her insane shield scaling and dodge potential.

I want anyone to justify why Riven's kit is so overstuffed. Why her scaling is so insane. Why she has NO RESOURCE.

Remember to leave an upvote so the riven fanboys don't destroy the thread.

7 Comments

commanderAIK4 votes

It's really her snowball dependency in lane. And no, her laning phase is not easy to win. With her low health regen (1 hp per second), it's difficult to actually survive and you have to be careful. One Q combo isn't going to 1 to 100 your opponent to death. Her cooldowns, despite whatever runes you may have, are pretty long in the early game as well.

If she get's fed, then CC is your only shot late game. If a maokai CCs riven in a fight, even if she manages to kill maokai or get off him, it delays her while your team can gain position advantage.

Ironclad Dragon2 votes

I'll justify. She draws power from every tear wept by her lane opponent in rage or misery. It's like Nasus's Q stacks, but they transcend matches.

commanderAIK2 votes

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I'll justify. She draws power from every tear wept by her lane opponent in rage or misery. It's like Nasus's Q stacks, but they transcend matches.

Good thing Amumu is a usual jungler and not a top laner.

19 19 191 votes

"or just gonna sit there letting people think they're good?"

haha that's so true for Riven Mains. lmfao

Leti the Yeti1 votes

Riven is so broken that you have no choice but to "survive" nope, you cant even compete until she finally wears down due to no sustain... until she backs and comes back to lane and is ready to bully ur ass again HOWS THAT FOR COUNTER PLAY? its like everyone has to play like Nasus when against Riven

soliznoel1 votes

Let me try to convince you why riven ain't op. Riven's scaling honestly isn't that great tbh. You don't have a late game, so it all relies on you doing at least decently well early. Riven has like the lowest health regen in the game (besides soraka i htink?) She isn't tanky, her cool downs are somewhat high at least early. I think her the main reason people complain about riven is because of all her dashes. The reason she has so many is because you EITHER dash in to fight or dash out to escape. ALL her dashes all pretty small too honestly. She has a wall jump, not a wall dash making it harder for new riven players to escape consistently with her. When you compare riven's E to other dashes of a similar type, it takes you far less forward or backward, EX. Lucian , gravesGraves , caitCaitlyn , and ezrealEzreal they all have dashes with a 400-475 cast range and they can all go through walls, while riven's E has a 325 cast range.

Riven honestly has a pretty high skill cap, including that her kit only promotes aggressive play. She doesn't have much build diversity because you have no AP scaling what so ever, don't need attack speed, and doesn't use mana. Meaning shouldn't bild a Triforce, BOTRK, or a IE (although i do build if i go riven adc or get far ahead) She is weak to CC like most "assassin" class champs are are.

And yes i'm a riven main, and no i didn't down vote this post, and i can understand somewhat how people can see riven as op.I also play riven in the mid lane as an assassin just because i think she fits in better there. Oh and sorry for the long ass paragraph, seemed alot shorter while writing it.

Only Mid Veigar1 votes

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Let me try to convince you why riven ain't op. Riven's scaling honestly isn't that great tbh. You don't have a late game, so it all relies on you doing at least decently well early. Riven has like the lowest health regen in the game (besides soraka i htink?) She isn't tanky, her cool downs are somewhat high at least early. I think her the main reason people complain about riven is because of all her dashes. The reason she has so many is because you EITHER dash in to fight or dash out to escape. ALL her dashes all pretty small too honestly. She has a wall jump, not a wall dash making it harder for new riven players to escape consistently with her. When you compare riven's E to other dashes of a similar type, it takes you far less forward or backward, EX. Lucian , gravesGraves , caitCaitlyn , and ezrealEzreal they all have dashes with a 400-475 cast range and they can all go through walls, while riven's E has a 325 cast range.

Riven honestly has a pretty high skill cap, including that her kit only promotes aggressive play. She doesn't have much build diversity because you have no AP scaling what so ever, don't need attack speed, and doesn't use mana. Meaning shouldn't bild a Triforce, BOTRK, or a IE (although i do build if i go riven adc or get far ahead) She is weak to CC like most "assassin" class champs are are.

And yes i'm a riven main, and no i didn't down vote this post, and i can understand somewhat how people can see riven as op.I also play riven in the mid lane as an assassin just because i think she fits in better there. Oh and sorry for the long ass paragraph, seemed alot shorter while writing it.

Riven's scaling is ridiculous. Going off the concept of "good Riven players use all their AAs and manage timing" gives you 300% AD scaling from passive alone, 380% from skills, and an extra 180% scaling on her ultimate, not counting the 20% raw AD bonus she gets from the active passive on Blade of the Exile. Her total raw % of scaling is a massive 1032% AD efficiency.

The CC argument is a moot point, as it is the same cop-out that most people use in Magic: The Gathering when someone complains about a really strong creature; DTR - Dies To Removal.

Let's also remember she has one of the lowest cooldown stuns in the game, 7s scaling down to 4.2s with 40% CDR, and it's on top of her other knock up CC which is very relevant because of how it will never be blocked by anything barring Morgana's spell shield. Before you say anything about duration, 0.75s is all she needs to do an absurd amount of damage to you, in addition to the very minor disruption is enough to ruin your day.

As for build diversity, that's the major problem with why she's ovepowered. What items do you get? Hydra, Cleaver, Ionian Boots, Last Whisper, GA, Bloodthirster? Guess what! You don't need to build anything other than those 6 items purely because of how stupid effective raw AD is on Riven. If she didn't have a shield-dash that soaked her full AD and then some in damage on a spammable cooldown, she'd be a lot more in-line with other champs. Unfortunately she can spam her shield dash and not even level it thanks to the huge scaling supplementing all of her survival needs.

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