Question: Is Zonyas an AP equivalent of GA or QSS?

DW Diana··3 votes·1,205 views

Hi all,

So questioning some basic "understandings" of the game today. Some are things that people use as arguments on a regular basis that most accept while others question, both without thinking of what they are saying. These are arguments that have been used on both sides for as long as I've played, and I'm starting to question the logic in the "standard" responses.

In this case, I hear the answer to balance complaints of "where's the AP GA?" or "wheres the AP QSS" as "Zonyas" all the time, but in truth, it can only really be ONE, otherwise there's clearly an imbalance (something I know people will straight away get upset by if they like AD champions but nevertheless hard to argue).

So which is it?

-- Loki --

5 Comments

Beatrice falls3 votes

You can fuck up easier with item 3157 than with both of those. If you miss your Zhonya, you can condamn yourself to a certain death, but if you time it correctly, you can set up an engage that can make your team win a teamfight

item 3139 directly cleanse CC's, and you only buy it if the enemy has a suppress (well basically if the enemy team has a Malzahar lul) GA is the same, it has no "skill expression", it just triggers by itself Let me also add item 3156 which works the same as GA

DW Diana2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Beatrice falls,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=c8utqmXX,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-08-09T17:01:20.130+0000)

You can fuck up easier with item 3157 than with both of those. If you miss your Zhonya, you can condamn yourself to a certain death, but if you time it correctly, you can set up an engage that can make your team win a teamfight

item 3139 directly cleanse CC's, and you only buy it if the enemy has a suppress (well basically if the enemy team has a Malzahar lul) GA is the same, it has no "skill expression", it just triggers by itself Let me also add item 3156 which works the same as GA

Oooo good points all. Love the Hexdrinker there as well. Forgot about that one!

Zane Zephyr2 votes

Zhonyas is neither of those. It neither cleanses/prevents CC nor does it revive you. It's its own unique thing

DW Diana2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zane Zephyr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=c8utqmXX,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-09T16:53:25.795+0000)

Zhonyas is neither of those. It neither cleanses/prevents CC nor does it revive you. It's its own unique thing

This was my outlook as well, but it is nevertheless the "standard" response, and one that I believe needs to be challenged.

Edit: Can see I've already got a downvote for challenging this argument! The system works xD

Eedat2 votes

Neither. Theyre completely different items with completely different functions

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