Remember back when being a tank meant you were hard to kill?

I Main Swain·Nov 10, 2017·6 votes·480 views

good times

15 Comments

EternalShockNov 10, 20174 votes

remember back when bruisers could play the game?

yea i dont.

uve had it bad 2 days and ur bitching.

ive had it bad 3 seasons .

stop

I Main SwainNov 10, 20171 votes

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remember back when bruisers could play the game?

yea i dont.

uve had it bad 2 days and ur bitching.

ive had it bad 3 seasons .

stop

idk wtf youre talking about lol ive hated tanks for a very long time now, or at least in regards to armor. stacking armor feels useless, i made this post because id just had a game against an almost full AD team without much armor pen against which i was building almost straight armor and yet they could still shred the crap out of me all game.

Baron BarianNov 10, 20173 votes

Yeah, I remember that. Went 8/0/7 as Tahm Kench 5 minutes ago.

Good times.

I Main SwainNov 10, 20171 votes

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Yeah, I remember that. Went 8/0/7 as Tahm Kench 5 minutes ago.

Good times.

tahm kench deals a whole lot of damage, can escape and chase pretty well, has a decent heal ability which can also be used as the highest potential shield ability in the game. also, that doesnt really prove anything one way or the other because you can go 8 0 without having been super tanky, how do you think carries do it lol

Baron BarianNov 10, 20171 votes

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tahm kench deals a whole lot of damage, can escape and chase pretty well, has a decent heal ability which can also be used as the highest potential shield ability in the game. also, that doesnt really prove anything one way or the other because you can go 8 0 without having been super tanky, how do you think carries do it lol

Well, as a Tahm tank, I built the proper defensive items and timed my E well to absorb the most amount of carries.

As for carries, or at least good carries, they just don't let themselves get hit at all.

blindasleepNov 10, 20172 votes

It's possible to tank. The system just needs adjusting to open up options a get more balanced.

I Main SwainNov 10, 20171 votes

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It's possible to tank. The system just needs adjusting to open up options a get more balanced.

im not saying its impossible to tank, but it feels pretty freaking close, and im not just talking about new runes (although those are definitely an offender). itemization is still just plain old terrible for anyone who isnt an adc or support.

blindasleepNov 10, 20171 votes

I agree fully that item balance is a problem and has been for some time. Those problems were eased some by the early game influence of the old system though. Some of that has been compounded by the changes.

Frontline FuryNov 10, 20171 votes

Oh yeah, you mean like when Darius would single-handedly wipe out the entire enemy team because he built full tank and outdamaged everything?

Or back when the common build for Nasus was 5 item 3083 and he was literally immortal because %HP damage didnt exist in the game yet?

Yeah, im good really.

I Main SwainNov 10, 20171 votes

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Oh yeah, you mean like when would single-handedly wipe out the entire enemy team because he built full tank and outdamaged everything?

Or back when the common build for was 5 and he was literally immortal because %HP damage didnt exist in the game yet?

Yeah, im good really.

nope, i meant when tank itemization wasnt so bad that essential items in almost every tank build are half support items, back when being a tank had you known for being impossible to kill not being able to deal a ton of damage and being kinda hard to kill. im not saying it was always the healthiest, but for a while now tanks have become various forms of bruisers it seems, and bruisers have just become utter garbage lol

Frontline FuryNov 11, 20171 votes

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nope, i meant when tank itemization wasnt so bad that essential items in almost every tank build are half support items, back when being a tank had you known for being impossible to kill not being able to deal a ton of damage and being kinda hard to kill. im not saying it was always the healthiest, but for a while now tanks have become various forms of bruisers it seems, and bruisers have just become utter garbage lol

Tanks have never been in a spot where they are hard to kill and not oppressive. Tank itemization? What itemization? We currently have the greatest variety in viable tank items the game has even seen. Before this, EVERY SINGLE TANK in the game had to build item 3068 item 3065 . Now they can choose - item 3143 item 3001 item 3194 item 3025 item 3110 item 3071 item 3742 item 3075 item 3083 item 3748 item 3109 item 3190 item 3512 item 3027 item 3060 .

Tanks have NEVER been in a better spot than they currently are, right now. Perhaps your real problem is not that tank items are bad - but that you refuse to open your mind to new possibilities and playstyles?

What do you mean, bruisers are garbage? Bruisers are competing with marksmen and mages for the strongest class in the game. Supports are arguably better in the current meta, but bruisers are by no means bad.

Your typical bruiser can build nearly every single item in the game. A lot of them CAN, in fact - champions like XinZhao and Jax can literally build every single item in the game (ranged items excluded) AND wield them effectively.

I Main SwainNov 11, 20171 votes

they can entirely be in a spot where theyre hard to kill and not oppressive otherwise the very class of tank wouldnt exist in any game in a balanced way, the problem is riot seems to be going about them in a very wrong way, giving them more damage and less tankiness to compensate but the thing is tanks arent meant to be played for their damage potential, tanks arent supposed to be able to just fight someone and kill them as easily as they often seem to now. im also not saying tanks are in a bad spot, im saying theyre in the wrong one. i was also a little unclear when i said tank itemization is bad. i didnt mean the items are trash, more that as far as personal defense goes its a lot weaker than i think it should be. i also should have been more clear with bruisers because i more meant juggernauts (nasus aside i think juggernauts are just not a good pick rn). the thing about current tank itemization is that if you try to build as just a pure damage soaking build rather than as a bruiser or a support you just straight up arent going to be nearly as effective and as someone who LOVES the good cant--die-cant-kill builds i hate that. the reason in fact that i made this post is because i had just finished a game as gnar building black cleaver into straight armor against a team that was almost full ad and which (other than MF) had exactly 1 armor pen item and they were all still able to shred me pretty freaking hard. i will say that 1v1 most couldnt quite deal with me but even that was just barely so. its beyond frustrating to have armor items feel so unimpactful that i almost would have rather just gone full damage.

before i forget i should add that i dont have a problem with the MR, in fact i think that when they FINALLY give mage itemization some help they should add just a little more magic pen in the mix, but yeah the MR im fine with. still salty though that they made GA and banshees into damage oriented items i will never not be mad about that.

AirKingNeoNov 10, 20171 votes

You mean season 7 where tanks literally take no damage unless an ADC is attacking them?

GooveNov 10, 20171 votes

I just had a 5-3-11 game on Sejuani w 3 of my deaths coming in trash time. All I had built was item 1401 item 3083 item 3193 item 3110 item 3047

I was literally 4-0-11 before my team had an ego that that lost the little focus he had and threw the match. Even against a super fed Urgot they had a lot of trouble killing me. I think the tanks are still hard to kill if played right, so far.