AP Assassins need their own item

LBmyBB·Dec 30, 2016·7 votes·691 views

Almost every ap item is shared between the mages and the ap assassins. Deathfire touch was originally used for tanks but, we all know that never was the case. Luden's echo is used by practically every mage. There should be an item solely for the purpose of ap assassins that is not too effective on the mages. After all, the mages use liandries right? You think an akali is gonna build that? Or lb? The ad assassins have tons of items at their disposal (and don't even get me started with the marksmen dipping into those). AP ASSASSINS NEED SOME IDENTIFICATION.

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DreadlocksDec 30, 20166 votes

item 3100

PennsDec 30, 20161 votes

TwistedFate Viktor Sona .. tho

LBmyBBDec 30, 20161 votes

Kat?

DreadlocksDec 30, 20161 votes

"ad assassin's need their own items.. item 3147 item 3142 Lucian MissFortune Jhin Quinn " "Fighters need their own items item 3071 "..............^

RalanrDec 30, 20161 votes

Kat, Akali, Kassadin, Fizz. It's a melee AP item damn it!

Jaygo41Dec 30, 20163 votes

item 3146

I've seen EVERYONE use this thing as an AP assassin. Kat, Akali, Fizz, even Kassadin. Additionally, sheen based AP assassins like Fizz and Kassadin also go item 3100 for burst as well.

I'd be a bit hesitant to give them their own item... that's a pretty volatile group

DracocrashDec 30, 20161 votes

yeah, but non assasin champions also build the items you stated, and its even core on some of them.

RalanrDec 30, 20161 votes

Maybe they should...

Jaygo41Dec 30, 20161 votes

Is that a problem? Why's it gotta be exclusive to AP Assassins?

DracocrashDec 30, 20161 votes

I never said it should be exclusive to ap assasins, read plz

L0ve Is BlueDec 30, 20163 votes

The trick is, AD scales with multiple stats, making it easier to design items for specific classes.

AP scales with... Well nothing! Some items like Ludens or Protobelt have AP scaling passives but that's about it.

You can make a crit item for marksmen since that's what they scale with

You can make a lethality item for AD assassins since that's what they scale with

You can make an attack speed item for attack speed bruisers or on hit effect champions since that's what they scale with

But for AP it can be used by anyone who builds AP.

There was an attempt in MYMU to make mana for mages and mana regen for supports (wich kinda worked, but mostly because the 4 support item that have AP on it are just too weak for a midlane mage). But appart from that, AP items are pretty much scattered on anyone who scales of AP.

You can see ROA on Tanks like Maokai or Nautilus, or on mages like Anivia, or even assassins like Kassadin.

You can see luden's on burst mages like Lux or Syndra, or on sustained damage dealers like Cassiopeia, but it's also very good on some poke supports like Karma or Morgana.

Lich bane is good for Assassins like Kassadin or Fizz, but also on champion that scale of on hit effects and AP like Kayle.

Meanwhile if you take an item like essence reaver or rapid fire cannon, pretty much no one but marksmen build that.

If you take an item like trinity force, it's pretty much only built on bruisers and Corki/Ezreal

TL:DR: AP doesn't go hand in hand with other stats like AD does, so it's almost impossible to make item for a specific class of AP champions.

WalkingInACircleDec 30, 20161 votes

Assassins and mages are both burst damage types though. What are you expecting to be different?

LBmyBBDec 30, 20161 votes

Assassins are supposed to get in and out in a flash. Pure ap is good but not enough.

WoonStruckDec 30, 20161 votes

How about melee only AP items instead?

Would help the AP divers, bruisers, tanks, etc but not long range mages.

RalanrDec 30, 20161 votes

If the stats are good enough mages will build it regardless of melee only or not.

Unless making it melee only means you literally can't buy it from the shop if you're ranged. I don't know, I haven't tested it.

WoonStruckDec 30, 20161 votes

Power would likely be in active/passive, which would be melee only.

As a stat-stick alone it would be inferior to options like Luden's, Morello's, etc.

RalanrDec 30, 20161 votes

But then we'd have assassins not buy it because it doesn't give good stats.

WoonStruckDec 30, 20161 votes

Remember, stats can be unique passives or actives.

Even if it has low stats, if the active/passive is powerful enough, it will still be purchased.

CalabokDec 30, 20161 votes

they should add health and remove other stats from assassin items so they can live longer in team fights.

Akali is SO HOTDec 30, 20161 votes

Just make it have an effect where you have to be within 150 (or something close to that) range of the champion you are damaging for it to work. All AP Assassins are required to go into melee range to do damage so it would fit them very well without having abuse cases with mages. Of course some mages could still work well with it like maybe Karthus Lissandra Swain and maybe a few others, but if the item is made correctly then mages buying the item shouldn't be too much of a problem. All of the other mages would have too much range for the passive/active to work for them so they wouldn't buy it.