@Riot. With all those mana and item changes I think you forgot about someone.

Sherogarth·Apr 9, 2016·71 votes·5,797 views

I must ask you something very important to me. https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4ibwsJ3koVw/VwhU0x02EsI/AAAAAAAANTs/7PYZOFKY2rgKyxRDYOAFH2AcqtjHZc-Vw/s1600/chalice.jpg https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OeB-4tVSPd8/VwhU0YGD1hI/AAAAAAAANTg/gZXWoIDeAEEzMnT0jEWzIB5GETixv6gQw/s1600/athenes.jpg

Do you even remember who builds literally every game as his rush, core item right after ? Do you know that changing into support item will affect this champion like none other? Do you know he have no way to heal or shield (i dont think his w is a "shield" that this passive is coded for) others? Do you know that his builds are in strange place even w/o this change? Do you know that he is left in top 5 lowest play rates in this game for years?

If you still have no idea about what champion im talking about here's an answer: the Forgotten

123 Comments

Vistha KaiApr 9, 201671 votes

Best regards from Syndra who needs to constantly cast spells to be of any use.

Riot: Here have this item with enough mana to cast 4 Qs instead, but then you will have to recall.

Well, fuck you, too.

AudiomancyApr 9, 201626 votes

Final nail in the coffin for poor Syndy.

SaiannaApr 9, 201648 votes

It's her own fault for being a mage..

She could have lead easy life as some kind of warrior or blind monk or if only she were throwing her balls with bare hands..

AudiomancyApr 9, 20165 votes

Dodgeball champion where

Weasel KenseiApr 10, 20162 votes

Yeah...

Syndra SO MUCH POWER!! Oh... out of power, quickie recharge then brb, ok Im back. SO MUCH POWER!!

Yeah, its her fault for being a mage, but atleast she will still be able to delete stuff with all new AP items... oh, no, losing AP... well shes screwed.

Syndra SO... much sadness.

KingKong2350Apr 10, 20161 votes

In their defense, isnt her secondary role inexplicably listed as support?

SaiannaApr 11, 20161 votes

Who? Syndras balls? Or Syndra herself?

KingKong2350Apr 11, 20161 votes

I thought syndra was? or was that a long time ago?

invisiblecat1Apr 9, 20162 votes

Syndra is getting some minor changes to compensate for the reduction of mana regen, I remember a red comment about this but not sure where

ProfDrDeathApr 9, 20164 votes

Did you even try and play some champs with the new items on the PBE?

Because, between the new Tear and Meditation, you are fairly sustained mana-wise unless you carelessly spam your spells till kingdom come.

Sire HippingtonApr 9, 201610 votes

yes, and the new items change nearly nothing, instead of mages goin athenes or morellos, every single fucking mage will now have to get tear, as thats the only item providing sufficient mana, with most likely morellos as ich the most efficient cdr option with tear. Such varity for items, since voidstaff still is a mustbuy... For most mages, the only thing that changes is that morellos is slightly less expensive, but they have to use that gold and then some on tear, haveing one more slot hardforced for a sprcific item, so they can vary their builts 'better'...

UrPalAlApr 9, 20161 votes

That's how AD Casters have worked now for ages. Jayce, Varus, and Urgot always rush mana. I think this mage update is basically going to make mages work a lot like those AD Casters.

sir d wreckApr 9, 20162 votes

AD Casters still have decent auto attacks though.

Sire HippingtonApr 9, 20162 votes

and people wanted mana sustain options for thos champs for a long time now. Jayce and varus are rather unpopular, and i'd argue a reason for that is that going tear feels ankward on them but is the only real solution for their mana. I played both of them in S5 with old ER, and i hardly play them anymore now that ER has been changed into stupid crit. Urgot always is unpopular, but that has many reasons.

Also, heaveing a entire class with 3 mustbuy items(i really don't think anyone will not go for morellos if he already goes AA, and void always is a must) simply goes against the very idea of item diversity

The Yetii RiderApr 9, 20162 votes

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Best regards from who needs to constantly cast spells to be of any use.

Riot: Here have this item with enough mana to cast 4 Qs instead, but then you will have to recall.

Well, fuck you, too.

Riot said that they think recalling will be a power play for mid laners now. Refill your mana and pick up another strong component item

Vistha KaiApr 9, 201611 votes

Power play, my ass.

Every other class only has to recall because they don't have health or want to buy and in case of AD overlords, only to buy.

UrPalAlApr 9, 20162 votes

Not the forgotten AD Casters.

Supreme Senpai69Apr 9, 201623 votes

If you recall 7 minutes in because you're out of mana, there goes your tower. Now you have mana, but no lane opponent to use it on! Uh oh, they just roamed bot and took that tower too. Now time for the 5 man push mid.

;-;

Ulquiorra995Apr 9, 201623 votes

Tanks and bruisers get item 3083 and they can refill their HP on the go. ADC's get item 3508 item 1053 and they can refill their HP AND Mana.

And when they get back it won't be for a strong component item, but for a completed one because they've had resources to farm/fight for a longer period. Unless "power play" is a new term for "crippling weakness" mages are just getting fucked even harder than they are already.

RisenDarkKnightApr 9, 20166 votes

Yeah they will come back with a nice item, at the small cost of their outer turret...

You can't just leave lane mid whenever you want, towers die really quickly, and are worth a lot of gold + map pressure.

sp441Apr 9, 20165 votes

Y'now, every single champion can already recall to refill their mana and pick up a strong component item, and they can generally do it when they want instead of being forced to.

FefnilApr 10, 20161 votes

And... is that not enough? I mean, in laning phase you farm with autoattacks, you don't use spells to last hit. You only use them in trades, which means you can 2 more trades counting mana regen, which means you'll be fine for another 5-7 minutes before recalling, but you won't because you'll recall earlier anyway to buy.

Vistha KaiApr 10, 20162 votes

You must've never played as Syndra aganist Zeds, Yasuos, Ekkos, Talons and other bullshits that can either clear whole wave with one spell or have non-mana resource and do it in two rotations instead.

You must've never experienced having to use all your mana just to not get shoved under the tower, simply to last hit some minions.

TrídentApr 9, 201627 votes

Veigar Ha Rito, at least I got my passive... Rito: Too bad, it's gone. Veigar .... Gets a few stacks forced to back

Sire HippingtonApr 9, 20168 votes

you mean the passvie that increases regen by x%? to bad it's not really doing much without any regen to amplify...

TrídentApr 9, 20163 votes

JariApr 9, 20162 votes

I thought they had to make Veigar more starved for having that passive in the first place.

BigPooStormApr 10, 20161 votes

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Ha Rito, at least I got my passive... Rito: Too bad, it's gone. .... Gets a few stacks forced to back

If they fuck that up I'm actually going to quit the game. Veigar is literally the only champion I enjoy and the only reason I even play this game at this point. If they mess around with his ability to stack his Q, then that's literally it for me. They've already done enough to discourage late game scaling, I wouldn't be able to take it if they fucked up Veigar. I don't even care that he has a 45% win rate right now, I like him as he is and would be fine if they didn't even touch him.

TrídentApr 10, 20162 votes

dw, I trust Rep(hopefully he's in charge of Vei) If anything we might have to wait a patch or two for Veigar to be buffed(ik, long time) So far with the new changes I'd just go item 3070 + item 3027 It has a lot weaker early than athenes or morello, but the end result is much more raw ap

Mirage SeraphApr 9, 20167 votes

Doesn't new Catalyst give mana when he takes damage? And doesn't Galio WANT to take damage from time to time? Not to mention Galio with that 30 second dash... I'll be surprised if Galio doesn't pick up after that patch.

Supreme Senpai69Apr 9, 20163 votes

Honestly after seeing the changes, I thought every mid laner was nerfed EXCEPT Galio, who seems to be buffed. Only time will tell though, but i think everyone is QQ'ing a bit too early.

sir d wreckApr 9, 20162 votes

And I'm sure Riot doesn't intend to actually screw all the mages over in the mage rework. It's easy to cry doomsday, but we really need discussion and thoughtful posts to help Riot with this.

Kiyodai AkamichiApr 9, 20165 votes

Galio will probably be better than before, actually. The new changes to catalyst mean that as he takes damage, he gets mana back, and as he casts spells, he gets health. Can also build lost chapter so you regain 20% of your max mana every time you level. Because Galio is able to trade well because of bulwark, he'll probably have more sustain than before, just because of the eternity passive.

ShmoovusApr 9, 20165 votes

Anivia & Velkoz send their regards. item 3070

ModKnightsKemplarApr 9, 20164 votes

I was actually thinking Galio will be better off after these... We shall see how it goes.

I'm hoping you're wrong about the shield. If they do change the coding to make it one, he would be fine, don't you think?

Old Man TeetoApr 9, 20164 votes

He can build RoA. It's fairly good on him, particularly with the changes that give mana back when taking damage, and healing when spending mana.

New Athene's is weird, I admit, the design feels more fit for a brand new item rather than the primary "heavy" regeneration item.

Samflash3Apr 9, 20162 votes

Honestly, I think it would have been better on Mikael's than Athene's

Ageless NocturneApr 9, 20163 votes

Galio? I think you mean guillotine, a 18th century device used to carry out capital punishment.

bill84Apr 9, 20162 votes

No you mean Gallion

AkeydelApr 9, 20161 votes

Nonono, Galileo

JVP15Apr 9, 20162 votes

That was an old scientist or philosopher or someone.

You're thinking of Gallium

GenghisEmoApr 9, 20163 votes

Galio only needs two (2) Doran's Rings and flash up, and bam, triple kill.

BUT, he has clear definitive weaknesses which are WAY too easy to exploit.

So it doesn't matter if they fix the items, it will not solve his problems.

MoonshadeApr 10, 20163 votes

Riot logic: "Lets get rid of mana regen on all non-support items" "Sir what about item 3010 it doesn't have any mana regen but it gives mana back per level" "Lets make it into a bruiser/tank item that will restore mana when you take damage and heal when you spend mana" "Won't that be strong on toggle champions?" "You know what you're right, we don't want mages being impactful or having a good mechanism of sustain outside of B, lets cap the healing per mana expenditure at 25 health returned" "Perfect that means that AP champions won't have to worry if one caster minion is attacking them, so long as they can cast one spell a second"

CoolKnightSTApr 9, 20162 votes

Uhm actualy it would be strong on him. Hell we might even see some Galio support. Just try Galio with enchanter masteries. It's so fun.

SherogarthApr 9, 201625 votes

Yep, all we need is changing yet another mid lainer into support. Dont get me wrong Im all in for support galio but this change will kill mid/top galio. Also as i stated his w is not a "true" shield so it's probably not affected by item 3174 's new passive. And one more thing, what're enchanter masteries? :D

UrPalAlApr 9, 20162 votes

I think in this case it's more appropriate to change the champion instead of the item. And let's be honest here, Galio's inevitably going to get reworked.