The NEW Thornmail!!!

Baigal·9/26/2015, 5:53:09 PM·30 votes·2,888 views

Ok so I was thinking about this and I think this is a decent idea for a new thornmail update. I've got 2:

**+100 armour and: Unique Passive: On being hit by basic attacks, returns 20% of damage in its original form. **(NOT MAGIC DAMAGE) So for example if you were hit with Vayne's silver bolt, 20% of that damage is then reflected onto her along with her auto attacks. I'm not too sure if it could reflect damage from spells like ezreal's q... Maybe along with 5% of your armour as magic damage

2.+100 armour: Unique Passive: Reflects 10% of damage from basic attacks to the dealer as magic damage. Unique Active: For 3 (or 4) seconds reflects around 50% of all damage from basic attacks back to the dealer(s) in its original form.

It would be nice if you guys could upvote this so Riot can see to deal with the "NERF VAYNE" crisis.

Thanks, Samimusha

38 Comments

Demacry9/26/2015, 11:58:45 PM5 votes

The buff we need to start with is item 3075 needs to inflict Grievous Wounds.

Shroom Junkie9/27/2015, 12:48:40 AM4 votes

Good idea. But when you say 20% of that damage, do you mean like, with a Vayne AA that procs Silver Bolts, and her Q, would it reflect 20% of the AA damage(physical), 20% of the Q damage(physical), and then 20% of the Silver Bolts damage as true damage, and what about BotRK passive on-hit? Or like, 20% of all physical back, 20% of all true damage back, and 20% of any magic damage such as with Devourer or Wit's End?

dangopee9/26/2015, 6:12:12 PM3 votes

That active plus rammus taunt is zero counterplay point and click to kill adc though...

Meep Man9/26/2015, 5:56:18 PM2 votes

Why not just buff the current one? 1.) is actually a nerf since you still get more armor than magic resist. Its only a buff if the enemy is Vayne or someone with super on-hits. 2.)... Im not sure. I feel like that would put a few champions over the edge, like Rammus especially.

Silver Fluffenbu9/27/2015, 9:35:45 AM2 votes

item 3075
+100 Armor Unique Passive: Upon being hit by a basic attack, reflects magic damage back to the attacker equal to 15% of the incoming damage and marks Thornmail with Mailed Thorns for 3 seconds, stacking up to 3 times. The third stack consumes all Mailed Thorns to blind the attacker for .5 seconds.

A Miss Fortune9/27/2015, 12:31:23 AM1 votes

I don't think Thornmail will ever be a balanced item, I just don't like how it can force an AD Carry to buy 1 - 2 large Lifesteal items to counter a moderate costing Armor item and if it isn't in that state, It's useless. The item isn't that great right now, but I've had my fair share of times where I was 20-0, didn't build Bloodthirster, and had the 0-9 tank do 900+ damage with Thornmail alone to me.

Budupops9/26/2015, 7:16:03 PM1 votes

YES PAPA

C4KillerZ90819/27/2015, 3:26:53 AM1 votes

What kills Vayne other than the "New" item 3075

Robert Smith9/27/2015, 3:57:55 AM1 votes

Toggle: return 20% of all physical damage Except Auto Attacks, 10 second cooldown in between. With this thornmail will counter AD casters while still having weakness

Daedalus8719/27/2015, 5:31:55 PM1 votes

Thornmail: 100 Armor Unique Passive: Taking Physical damage applies Grievous wounds to the attacker for 3 seconds. Additionally, whoever AA's you takes 40% bonus armor as magic damage.

Pale Pirate9/27/2015, 1:02:37 PM1 votes

wtf man? If you want to nerf Vayne then ask riot to nerf Vayne , but don't turn an item to god-tier status just to nerf one champion. Who the heck is crazy enough to upvote you?

Auroramancer9/27/2015, 2:39:14 PM1 votes

Option 1 is rubbish, the reflected damage would be too varied between different Marksmen.

Option 2 is good though. Effective windows of opportunity for the tank to make good use of Thornmail.

But we need to keep Thornmail's current armor ratio so that damage-bruisers aren't picking it up as their only tank item.

Baigal9/26/2015, 8:36:21 PM1 votes

Thanks guys for all the feedback - (Highest amount of likes i've every had on a post I think..)