Foxdrop pretty much sums it up.
Riot what about those people who have an internet connection issue in game? Is it THEIR fault? What this says is that if you left a game due to ANY reason, you you get no rewards at all.
Riot you might want to consider changing this in my opinion.. I think you might be getting a LOT of haters coming your way...
Edit: Just read the correction thanks Jubbinaut, this post was for no reason....lol
Jubbinaut2 votesRiot what about those people who have an internet connection issue in game? Is it THEIR fault?
Players with occasional issues shouldn't be at risk of losing their rewards.
What this says is that if you left a game due to ANY reason, you you get no rewards at all.
That's not really what he said in the first place, nor is it what his correction says.
Sniper 02 votesBans will result in immediate removal of rewards. Less harsh offenses won't be met with the same force. Being chat banned at the seasons end will result in result in removal of rewards. MULTIPLE low prio queue's will also result in this. They're giving plenty of leeway with this.
Foxdrops opinion was my own, but this was before the corrections.
I completely agree with the new policy.
If you were enough of a dickhead to get banned you need a more meaningful punishment. BUT with them announcing it this late in the season I think players who received past offenses should be given a second chance. Though leaving it as is also sends a stronger message. Either way.
I don't meet any of the criteria for loosing my rewards. o3o
Jubbinaut2 votesI mean, it's really just a continuation of the policy they implemented last season. So it's not like it's all that last-second.
Rueian1 votesThere is literally nothing written about this in last year or this year's policy on the ranked rewards support page about this form of punishment.
It is last second.
Jubbinaut1 votesFirst of all? Please stop following me and starting this stupid argument over in new threads. It's creepy and inappropriate.
Secondly, are you really sure it's not? Because the 2014 Rewards page says this right at the top:
NOTE: The most negative players who are chat restricted or ranked restricted at the end of the season will be ineligible to earn season rewards.
Rueian1 votesFirst, I didn't follow you, i followed the topic.
Second, Having an active punishment at end of season =/= losing ranked rewards for a punishment you had a year ago.
the words do not state 'if your punishment has been escalated to a time ban at any time during the season you will lose your rewards'
R1101 votesthe words do not state 'if your punishment has been escalated to a time ban at any time during the season you will lose your rewards'
A time ban is a more severe punishment than ranked and chat restrictions so why wouldn't it apply to time bans?
Rueian1 votesDifference between 'currently active punishment' and 'punishment that happened at any time during the season'
Jubbinaut1 votesIf I'm following the OTHER exact-same-argument he's having with me in another thread correctly, it shouldn't apply because they didn't say those exact words over and over and over again, extremely explicitly.
Because apparently, if anything is left to implication, it's an absolute failure of communication, and they should just cancel the whole damn program.
At least, that's what I'm getting out of it.
Rueian2 votesOriginal Statement says Chat restriction or Ranked restriction currently active at the end of the season results in the loss of ranked rewards. This would also include time bans if they are currently active at the end of the season. But if the season ends in October and you were Suspended back in January the new policy says you do not get your ranked rewards. hence why i keep saying the old policy and the new policy are not the exact same. and this last second announcment chances the rules far too much.
If a person was suspended in January and was expecting to get ranked rewards and has not been suspended since january, this announcement has swept the rewards from under their feet. This is a double punishment that was not previously in place.
Jubbinaut1 votesTo my knowledge, players who received time bans last season did not receive end-of-season rewards.
There may have been some exceptions - just as there were for some of the players with Chat/Ranked restrictions - as the system bugged and issued some rewards that it shouldn't have.
Rueian2 votesI spoke specifically about that instance with riot support. I received my rewards. I had been suspended actually twice last seasons. Last season was about punishing those who were 'currently (at the end of season)' unsportsmanlike not punishing those who 'were'
This is the disconnect that i'm arguing.
Jubbinaut2 votesYou mean that last season, they chose not to implement a new policy to punish players for actions taken before the policy went into effect?
Which is exactly what you're saying they're doing here by maintaining that same policy with minor adjustments?
Why, it's almost like they're simply continuing the application of the policy from the time it was implemented.
Rueian1 votesif you were suspended after the policy was announced and served the suspension and were not suspended or chat/ranked restricted by the end of the season you got your rewards.
the policy has changed.
the 'minor adjustment' is that you are now punished again for something you served almost a year ago.
Jubbinaut1 votesif you were suspended after the policy was announced and served the suspension and were not suspended or chat/ranked restricted by the end of the season you got your rewards.
Uh... huh. So why did people who were not banned when the season ended also not get their rewards?
the policy has changed.
The implementation of the policy has changed. The policy has remained the same. There is a difference.
the 'minor adjustment' is that you are now punished again for something you served almost a year ago.
I'm sorry, but let me be clear: if season rewards are intended to reward players who both a) play Ranked, and b) demonstrate good sportsmanship, I cannot imagine that a time ban - exemplifying as it does significant breaches of sportsmanship - would simply be waived because it didn't happen at the end of the season.
That would completely undermine the spirit of the policy. It would be - in a word - stupid.
Rueian1 votesyou cant say a person hasn't changed over the course of a year.
Jubbinaut1 votesI can say that it doesn't matter. I can say that the extremity of the offence is enough that later demonstrations of good sportsmanship cannot "undo" it.
I can - and will - say that rewarding players who have been shown to exemplify the most egregious breaches of sportsmanship goes exactly and completely counter to both the letter and the spirit of the policy as it was expressed last season.
Jubbinaut1 votesFirst, I didn't follow you, i followed the topic.
I absolutely do not care why you clicked the thread, as that reason has nothing to do with my statement.
If you're replying to me with the same argument you're already having with me elsewhere? You're being creepy and inappropriate.
Second, Having an active punishment at end of season =/= losing ranked rewards for a punishment you had a year ago.
A punishment you had a year ago wouldn't affect you this year. Because a year ago, it was the middle of the 2014 season. And Lyte was pretty clear that the only punishments relevant to this policy are those that were accrued this season.
Doctrorpheus1 votesThe punishment for being banned is...being banned.
You don't double down on it later. Also so many people caught 2 weeks bans just for arguing with teammates it's ridiculous. I only found one case on these forums where the person was a dyed in the wool racist who got the same 14 day ban as the people that argued.
Rueian1 votesAnd if the community doesn't want to deal with the people, how do you expect them to reform? Short answer, they dont.
Doctrorpheus1 votesWhy is this Jubb person trying to say that the policy of time ban at any point in the season = no rewards was already in effect when it was only recently announced?
That's a fact. Stop debating it. Rueian is right.
Players who received time bans at some point last season but that weren't banned at the end of last season DID receive their rewards. So that is incorrect as well.
