Fizz needs worked on he is op atm

InfinitexMortal·May 23, 2016·34 votes·1,520 views

Seriously for how much dmg he can do even if he builds tank why has he not been worked on yet. Also his ulti cd is way way too low for how much cc and dmg it can do in an aoe id start with increasing its cd riot

43 Comments

AstôlfoMay 23, 201613 votes

Meanwhile Lux ult CD is 30 seconds. I feel like Riot needs to re-think CDs sometimes. Or actually, a lot of things sometimes.

// I am not disagreeing with OP, just making another note :P

IcyPepperMay 23, 20161 votes

Meanwhile Lux ult CD is 30 seconds.

At full cdr and max rank. Guess the mage update making cdr more accessible really favored her, huh?

NuparuMay 23, 20161 votes

she's been like this for a long time, ionians + morello/athenes + 10% CDR wasn't that hard to get, add in 5 from the TLD she takes now and yeah.

MunchCrunchLunchMay 23, 201610 votes

they nerfed the cd for almost every assassin ult except fizz's . it definitely needs that treatment.

ArakadiaMay 23, 20163 votes

And its impossible to dodge once he gapcloses you in melee range.

MisterShamelessMay 23, 20161 votes

Unless he screws up which ends up being hilarious

GottedMay 23, 20167 votes

I figured out how to deal with fizz but I upvoted it. All you have to do is cc him and by that I mean ban him.

Wiz the GreatMay 23, 20166 votes

Just qss his ult and w :)

Oh wait XDD

Riot balance team MonkeyKing

Milodic MellodiMay 25, 20161 votes

QSS nullifies the slow but not the damage, so if you play it right at high enough health you should be able to get away with enough to recall.

General Esdeath May 23, 20165 votes

Just dodge his ult or get a zhonyas. He's countered hard by Lissandra, Diana, and most tanks as long as you build MR.

ArakadiaMay 23, 20162 votes

He has such short CD's that your zhonyas lets his skills get back up if anything. And you can't dodge his ult once he gapcloses you and is melee range.

General Esdeath May 23, 20164 votes

Then CC/kite him. If he uses his E/Q to catch up to you he can't use them to damage you. And if you zhonyas his ult he won't have it up for 60 more seconds, and it's a big part of his burst.

ArakadiaMay 23, 20163 votes

Most midlane mages don't have alot of mobility. He can easilly dodge or untarget against your CC. If I zhonyas his ult, he will have it in 60 seeconds. My Zhonyas will be up in 120 seconds. He can ult twice in that time frame with how easy he can get CDR. His 2 gapclosers with short cd's make it hard to gapclose, and if he lands his ult he can easilly catch up. Saying "kite/cc fizz" is like saying "Don't let Kalista kite you". It is much easier said then done.

General Esdeath May 23, 20165 votes

Then counterpick him or get good :^) and for a single fight once his ult is down you have 60 seconds. Once you get back to lane play it safe for a bit. And again, if he uses his E, it's an 8 second CD he can't damage you (unless you're in the late game in which most people can burst him down first)

ArakadiaMay 23, 20163 votes

Did you downvote me?

Counterpick should not be the only way to win lane. Your saying counterpick or get good. Yet you have no way to "get good". He can E in and Q out. He is very safe and takes reduced AA damage. Most mages CC/mobility has a much longer cd then 8 seconds btw. He can turret dive very well too because ignite and ult can finish you and he has enough mobility with an untarget to get in and out super fast.

General Esdeath May 23, 20165 votes

Maybe :^)

And if he E's in he loses his zhonyas escape. And if he takes 8 seconds to kill you under turret and you don't kill him, YOU have a problem.

RequiemsfireMay 23, 20161 votes

How soon are we getting Zhonyas, here? Because I'm actually pretty certain it takes longer to get zhonyas hourglass than it takes to hit level 6 and even longer if he's zoning you out of cs.

Not to mention, ap fizz can also build zhonyas.

General Esdeath May 23, 20162 votes

At 6 before a back he won't do much damage without items. And his zhonyas won't counter yours, since you're using it for the shark.

RequiemsfireMay 24, 20161 votes

If that was the case, tank fizz wouldn't work. Also at level 6 if he does Q into your minions, first, he can actually 100-0 with his abilities at level 6.

Furthermore Fizz's I play against actually do conserve their E's, and sometimes they mean to go in but instead decide to stay back for a little longer.

General Esdeath May 24, 20161 votes

Tank Fizz works because top laners aren't burst, and his W does % missing HP damage. And if that's the case you're not good at baiting the E out.

RequiemsfireMay 25, 20161 votes

Tank Fizz works because he can still kill a squishy champion without building damage late game. W deals % missing health btw.

Or maybe some Fizz's aren't as prone to misplays or have the experience to avoid misuse of their E.

This variant of counterplay you're suggesting is reliant on the Fizz making the mistake.

General Esdeath May 25, 20161 votes

It's not a misuse, you're making them use the E and then using that time period to harass them. Misuse is the ones who try to E over a wall and drop right where they started.

TupacoMay 23, 20161 votes

why the fuck would you rely on a item if a item is his only counter play thats saying something

General Esdeath May 23, 20162 votes

It's not his only, it's just the easiest.

blfUvZ8YbuMay 23, 20161 votes

Q and ult undodgeable or E and ult.

General Esdeath May 23, 20162 votes

item 3157

blfUvZ8YbuMay 23, 20161 votes

As a result this is an item.Your excuse isn't true.

General Esdeath May 23, 20162 votes

Sometimes you can't dodge an ult, are we gonna complain about Karthus ult next?

blfUvZ8YbuMay 23, 20161 votes

Then you don't cry about Zed.Okey.Hypocrite people.

General Esdeath May 23, 20162 votes

Nobody is complaining about Zed but OK? The thing about Zed is that his ult isn't a problem, the damage on his Q is. Not to mention his shadow is a Fizz E but worse. Fizz has to use it to jump on you or escape a gank. Zed can throw his shadow while at a safe distance and E Q you.

blfUvZ8YbuMay 23, 20161 votes

Or Fizz? Zed ult is the most problem things in the game.Everybody is complaining.Fizz E is more cancer Zed's shadow,

''Fizz has to use it to jump on you or escape a gank. Zed can throw his shadow while at a safe distance and E Q you.''

No.If Zed use his shadow, he will be undefended so same situation.

General Esdeath May 24, 20162 votes

Zed's ult is on a much longer CD than Fizz E. And Fizz E and Zed shadow have the same purpose, harass or escape. And Zed can THROW his shadow while he stands under turret. Fizz using E puts him next to you.

Surfer AsheMay 23, 20165 votes

90% of Fizz QQers don't respect Fizz's ult The other 10% get triggered by a fraction of a second invulnerability.

Look at Fizz's numbers, they hilariously weak and puts him danger to take twice as much damage of he uses offensively. It's his ult, with strong damage, damage and hard CC that makes him too strong. Play around that and Fizz is useless. Fizz should not be able to ult you after landing if you position correctly. If he blows Q and R to shark you, he has no damage to kill you, alone at least.

ArakadiaMay 23, 20161 votes

Wait can't he Q>R>E>W you? I mean you can't dodge his ult at melee range. And Tank fizz is just as bs as tank ekko without the utility tankko offers. Playing around him is much easier said then done.

blfUvZ8YbuMay 23, 20164 votes

Fizz is op.We already said.But haters downvote us.

SpecterVonBarenMay 23, 20162 votes

I think his resurgence as being a pest is because CDR has become easier to get for him and so now he can get 40% easy and jump around all over the place. Increase increase the CD of his E and higher levels and I think that would be enough to make him manageable.

ΝichirinMay 23, 20162 votes

Abuse Fizz item 3025 item 3068 item 3009 item 3001 item 3065 item 3102 while you can.2 Shot carries and no damage taken

EpicMusicMay 23, 20162 votes

Pretty sure you cant do that with those items.

ΝichirinMay 23, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Pretty sure you cant do that with those items.

Go ahead and try it

EpicMusicMay 23, 20162 votes

The only damage items you have are IBG and AS. You're probably fed for you to 2 shot carries. I wont even bother trying it.

DerfelMay 23, 20161 votes

Inb4 they change his passive to a revive.

Enraged PigletMay 23, 20163 votes

I think fizz's ult should be able to travel the entire length of River because it's a fish and that's where sharks and fish are.

Milodic MellodiMay 25, 20161 votes

OP Fizz reasons:

E offers invulnerability
R damage can't be QSS'd (though the slow can)
Fizz W has Hidden Potential, which Riot is saying is the exact opposite of what they want for LoL

Crap Fizz reasons:

Absolutely useless Passive
E has to be for either offensive or defensive usage; using it offensively leaves you wide open for ganks, using it as an escape takes away your window of opportunity for offense
R can be dodged with the same ease as dodging Morgana's Q
Building Magic Resist pretty much shuts down anything Fizz can try to do to you in-lane (until teamfighting starts).
Fizz literally can't start anything without his E or R, so he might as well be feeding after he uses them up