Game balance in general from a G1 player's perspective

Tengrichan··7 votes·891 views

Hey guys! Pre-season is coming so i thought i could make a list about all the champions and how i see them in their current state as a g1 player.Maybe it can help riot to determine problems with certain champions or better understand how i(we) feel about some of them.

Long story short let's do this :

Champions:

Aatrox Aatrox - While i don't play him at all he seems to fall short in his job.He needs a partial or full rework.

Ahri Ahri - I think she is in a good spot though her passive sustain is still bullshit sometimes.

Akali Akali - Needs a full rework.She is frustrating to play with and against when behind or ahead.

Alistar Alistar - He seems fine but his ban rate suggests otherwise.Probably needs a partial rework.

Amumu Amumu - Fine.

Anivia Anivia - Could use a little touch up.

Annie Annie - There is a lot of potential here.Her tibbers should deal significantly less dmg but purchasing an item for tibbers would increase her burning dot damage.The instant cast time on her ultimate is questionable.

Ashe Ashe - I personally hate her rework but she is fine.

Azir Azir - He still has bugs that affect his gameplay negatively...Otherwise the changes on Q were too much. The soldier placement with 2 or more soldier is horrible after a Q cast.It greatly reduces the dmg output on a single target. Also a nice gap has been created between the soldiers so it is now possible to dodge his Q...

Bard Bard - He still needs something to make him more reliable.There is a lot of potential here. There were/are numerous threads here about possible changes.

Blitzcrank Blitzcrank - In a good spot.

Brand Brand - He is on the strong side.

Braum Braum - Fine.

Caitlyn Caitlyn - She is confirmed to get a partial rework.

Cassiopeia Cassiopeia - Oh boy...I really liked her before the rework but not so much after it.Currently she is hard to master but weird.Something feels off.I can't pinpoint it exactly.

Chogath Cho'Gath - Fine.Though the silence duration can be bullshit sometimes.

Corki Corki - He is fine,probably.I mean he is like always good enough like Orianna.

Darius Darius - Eh...Needs some nerf(s).

Diana Diana - On the stronger side.

DrMundo Dr.Mundo - I don't really know why this champion exists.His kit is really boring in my opinion. Power wise he is weird as he is like an AP off tank thing that deals a lot of magic dmg.

Draven Draven - In a good spot.

Ekko Ekko - He is still played as a jungler more than AP mid.I think he doesn't work well enough at mid.

Elise Elise - Stun duration shouldn't have been buffed.Please don't rush the changes on her.

Evelynn Evelynn - I think she is fine.I saw the intended nerf on her W.Not sure that is the right thing to do.

Ezreal Ezreal - I think he is in a good spot though he could use a touch up especially on his W.

Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks - He is fine?I see him so rarely.

Fiora Fiora - Needs some nerfs.

Fizz Fizz - He is frustrating to play against for seasons now.Too easy to snowball with.The cooldown on his E is just icing on the cake.

Galio Galio - He needs a partial rework.Would be probably more viable if Tahm Kench could spit him out further as a gapcloser.

Gangplank Gangplank - Probably needs a little adjustment somewhere in his kit.Is on the stronger side at the moment.

Garen Garen - He is fine.

Gnar Gnar - In a good spot.

Gragas Gragas - In a good spot.

Graves Graves - In my opinion he is fine.His kit is fun and cohesive.Mana costs could be lowered a bit.

Hecarim Hecarim - He will be in a good spot when juggernauts get their well deserved nerfs.

Heimerdinger Heimerdinger - He is fine i guess.Rarely see him.

Irelia Irelia - Rework.She is bullshit in some conditions and those conditions come up too often.

Janna Janna - Fine.

JarvanIV Jarvan IV - He is fine.On the weak side.

Jax Jax - He is fine though little better early scale on his passive wouldn't hurt.

Jayce Jayce - He is in a good spot.

Jinx Jinx - The mana cost on her Q isn't enough.The risk/reward ratio is off on the spell. It can crit in AoE and gives dmg boost and gives range...

Kalista Kalista - Personally hate to play against her as less and less point and click hard CCs are in the game. Otherwise she seems fine.

Karma Karma - EEhhhhhh... She can be a force to be reckoned with.Old karma's kit was better though and more fun.

Karthus Karthus - Fine.

Kassadin Kassadin - Partial/full scale rework.

Katarina Katarina - Sion scale rework.

Kayle Kayle - Partial rework.

Kennen Kennen - Fine.

Khazix Kha'Zix - Could use some changes.Not necessarily buffs but changes to his evolve system.

Kindred Kindred - ???

KogMaw Kog'Maw - Fine.

Leblanc Le Blanc - Ehhh... I would give her a partial rework.Possibly with new spells.

LeeSin Lee Sin - Still waiting for that shelved rework...

Leona Leona - She is fine though the range on her Zenith Blade is a little bit too long for how rewarding it is.

Lissandra Lissandra - In a good spot.

Lucian Lucian - Could use some changes to make him a more distinct,uniqe champ.

Lulu Lulu - Needs some heavy changes to not make her so flexible and utility heavy but give her more power in exchange.

Lux Lux - Her E is too easy to harras with.

Malphite Malphite - Rock Solid.

Malzahar Malzahar - He is fine.Though the VFX on his space aids when using his winter skin is really hard to see on blue minions.

Maokai Maokai - Fine.

MasterYi Mister Yen - With the new items(Sterak's gage,titanic hydra) i think he needs tweaks.

MissFortune Miss Fortune - The ulti dmg buff may help her but i think she needs a proper rework.

Mordekaiser Mordekaiser - ...Sion scale rework.Not this abomination we currenty have.The time you spent on Mordekaiser could have been used to actually rework somebody else who actually needs a partial rework.

Morgana Morgana - Fine.

Nami Nami - Fine in my opinon.Though could use some buffs.

Nasus Nasus - Needs a rework.There is not too much reason to pick him.

Nautilus Nautilus - He is fine.On the stronger side.

Nidalee Nidalee - She is fine.

Nocturne Nocturne - In a good spot.

Nunu Nunu - Partial rework.

Olaf Olaf - Fine.

Orianna Orianna - In a good spot as always.

Pantheon Pantheon - He may need some changes that reduce his early game power but give him better mid-late game power.

Poppy Poppy - Waiting on that rework.

Quinn Quinn - Rework.

Rammus Rammus - Partial rework.

RekSai Rek'Sai - I think she has too much power in certain places while lacks in the others.Needs some work.

Renekton Renekton - Okay i guess.

Rengar Rengar - The 0.000001 second instakill from stealth is bullshit.Could use some work.

Riven Ribbon - REWORK.

Rumble Rumble - In a good spot.

Ryze Ryze - I don't think he is gonna be in a good spot ever when he is an AP off-tank.He was bullshit before he is stil bullshit. I was hoping for assassin ryze to come back like in the good old days with some changes.Instead we got this.

Sejuani Sejuani - In a good spot could use a little buff.

Shaco Shaco - His current kit is fine but needs some changes to improve it and help the shaco player to do its job better.

Shen Shen - Partial rework.

Shyvana Shyvana - Fine but her ulti could be improved.

Singed Singed - In a good spot.

Sion Sion - Needs buff.

Sivir Sivir - Fine.

Skarner Skarner - In a good spot.Though his fight potential is too strong around the crystals.

Sona Sona - I personally hate her rework.She is on the weaker side despite the high winrate in soloq.

Soraka Soraka - A point and click silence is not okay. What should we do? Turn it into an AoE instant silence. Brilliant. Needs changes to her kit or straight up nerfs.

Swain Swain - Partial/full rework.

Syndra Syndra - Fine.Though there is a lot of potential in her kit if you want to change some things.

TahmKench Tahm Kench - Too easy to apply stacks with his Q. The cooldown on Q is too low and the projectile speed and width is too much.His W is still bugged with smartcast... The damage on Devour(W) could be lowered also.

Talon Talon - He is fine?

Taric Taric - Waiting for the rework.

Teemo Teemo - I think he needs a Sion scale rework despite the latest changes to his kit.

Thresh Thresh - Make his lantern destroyable with x hits then adjust the rest of his kit.Too low risk.

Tristana Tristana - On the stronger side.

Trundle Trundle - In a good spot.Though could use a touch up.

Tryndamere Tryndamere - Partial/full rework.He is fun to play but not too much reason to pick him.

TwistedFate Twisted Fater - In a good spot.

Twitch Twitch - Need to do something with his stealth.Let's not give marksmans the ability to kill someone in seconds from stealth.

Udyr Udyr - Bullshit to play against when ahead.Needs some changes.Maybe rework.

Urgot Urgot - Sion scale rework.

Varus Varus - In a good spot.

Vayne Vayne - I think her ability to stealth for relatively long(1 second is long) is the problem here.Sure the flat amout of true dmg on her W is probably a lot but she is like twitch.She can duel almost anyone with built-in stealth and it's even worse than twitch's as hers is more confusing and make figthing her way harder. There is a lot of place that could be nerfed on her.But Silver Bolts is not the one. The stun duration on E seems a bit too long.Mana cost on Q could be increased a bit.

Veigar Veigar - Why does he have so high base ms???Isn't he supposed to be a nuker?Why is he so fast? Anyway he needs tweaks to his numbers.I personally would give him a new ulti.

Velkoz Vel'Koz - In a good spot.Could use some changes.Like hitting somebody with the Q projectile before it splits slows for more. Reduced cooldown timer between W charges,etc. Maybe a little AP ratio increase somewhere?

Vi Vi - Okay.

Viktor Viktor - Not a fan of him.His latest changes simply shifted his power somewhat.He is still strong early-mid game.But now he is stronger late.

Vladimir Vladimir - Rework.

Volibear Volibear - In a good spot with the last change.With GV being shifted out he may need a nerf on his passive.

Warwick Warwick - Full rework.

MonkeyKing Wukong - In a good spot.

Xerath Xerath - In a good spot.

XinZhao Xin Zhao - Fine.

Yasuo Yasuo - Partial rework.His Wind wall is an ultimate.Need to work on the spell interaction with Wind wall.

Yorick Yorick - Sion scale rework.Though his ulti should remain.It has a lot of potential which players doesn't seem to recognize. Also he is really good against popular top picks.

Zac Zac - Okay.

Zed Zed - Probably needs a rework.

Ziggs Ziggs - Frustrating to play against when has enough mana to spam.And he will have enough to spam.

Zilean Zilean - Not sure.

Zyra Zyra - In a good spot.

Items: item 3053 Sterak's Gage - Probably needs adjustment as i feel it's a bit too strong at the moment.

item 3748 Titanic Hydra - The item does too much at the moment.It gives a lot of damage AND it resets auto attack and it has a high dmg nuke.

item 2045 Ruby Sightstone - The upgrade should give one more ward stack(up from 5 to 6) to allow more dynamic warding. Other option would be is refilling one ward per x time to stay on the map for longer. Would work with Bard nicely given how roam oriented he is.

item 3711 Poacher's knife - Needs some rework desperately.Though i can see it work with Kindred extremely well.

item 3124 Guinsoo's rageblade - Either rework or remove it.

item 3068 Sunfire Cape - Needs some work.item 3742 Dead Man's Plate is more unique and offers better utility.

item 3508 Essence Reaver - Not sure what to do with this item but feels awful to build.

item 3056 Ohmwrecker - Its active needs a little more oomph in my opinion.

item 3050 Zeke's Harbinger- 50% crit chance is too much.Sure marksmen is in a "bad" spot but giving them 100% crit chance mid game is not the answer. IE + PD + this = 100%

Would like to see item 2051 Guardian's Horn on SR at least for testing and with an upgrade from it.I think it has a lot of potential. Generally i want to see new items on SR from other maps or from the GP event.

Why is spellvamp still in the game?It just makes balancing harder and offers nothing truly unique. I think it should be removed and with that you could create a new hybrid item instead item 3146 Hextech Gunblade. item 3152 Will of the Ancients would need a rework too or just simply remove it.

Cooldown reduction is the other stat that should be shifted out from the game in my opinion.

That's it how i see the game currently.Of course you will disagree with a lot of things so leave a comment and tell me what do you disagree with and why.

17 Comments

Asayake 5150glow3 votes

Aatrox needs rework. Based on his lore, he could potentially be SR's first AD support. Last hitting gives increased attackspeed to allies, all that. RIght now, it actually makes a lot of sense that he should be in the jungle - just look at the lore, turns up when he's needed, turns the tide of the battle. But it shouldn't just be him whacking away at enemies while his laner runs away, he should be dependent on his allies and rather weak when alone, not the OP dueler he is. Stuff life attacking an enemy champion increases damage output of nearby allies (not breaks defenses, increasing damage is better thematically), E grants move speed of allies it hits, R is based on how many allies around him, not how many enemies, which it's currently based off of. Ult should increase damage of nearby allies including himself when it's casted, by however many allies that are around him when it's casted. Maybe increase the cooldown, as it'd be a pretty huge buff, like 20% with all 4 allies next to him. W is fine, he needs something to stay in the jungle, after all.

He's just in a bad spot thematically right now.

Wind Whistler1 votes

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He's just in a bad spot thematically right now.

Finally, someone who sees things clearly.

53436278DEL12 votes

you are right idk why these bronze loser instantly downvote a post

177A Bleecker St1 votes

"ribbon"

Iabusemyminions1 votes

Please don't brush off anyone who has a built in revive like Aatrox.

I think there's gold there that even the best players in the world are missing. It's like they don't play those picks because they are too easy and obvious.

Blazer Hellsing1 votes

Good thing riot only looks at platinum or higher for balancing, your gold 1 nonsense is ignored hahahahaha.

Tengrichan3 votes

Thanks for contributing.Appreciated.

Blazer Hellsing2 votes

rofl su noob all u say is "fine" or "rework", great contributing ahahhah fail.

Tengrichan4 votes

My post is aimed more toward riot but i agree the term rework is very broad but that's exactly why i wrote to tell us what do you disagree or agree with so i can explain it more. You can call me names i really don't care as i have a thick skin but write something meaningful at least.

Asayake 5150glow3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Blazer Hellsing,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bm4KhG5m,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-10-11T13:06:39.392+0000)

Good thing riot only looks at platinum or higher for balancing, your gold 1 nonsense is ignored hahahahaha.

You realize Riot is talking about gameplay, not opinions? Read more carefully.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

Essence Reaver is kinda of useless. Who would you take it on? Jayce or Ez, maybe, if you didn't take Manamune? But I think Manamune outclasses it...

I've taken it on ADC TF, except the problem is that W does not apply life vamp.

TF: Make W apply lifesteal! No, better, make it do damage based whichever stat you have more of, AD, or AP. That way ADC TF can feel good about buying armor pen.

Wind Whistler1 votes

Um, Lee Sin has a shelved Rework but Warwick doesn't? What? Warwick's rework has been stated to be coming several times by Riot members. Also, NO ONE should be given a Sion level rework. It would be better to just remove that champion from the game, as that's what a Sion level rework basically is. You also want WAY too many champions reworked. Also, I like how you complain about Cho'Gath's 2.5 second silence but not Malzahar's 3 second silence.

Tengrichan1 votes

Warwick's rework wasn't that ready in my opinion.Unfortunately some champions need Sion scale rework though i am probably wrong about who need it.

Cho'Gath's silence is instant and has a much wider effective area.

Wind Whistler1 votes

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Warwick's rework wasn't that ready in my opinion.Unfortunately some champions need Sion scale rework though i am probably wrong about who need it.

Cho'Gath's silence is instant and has a much wider effective area.

You realize a Sion scale rework is equivalent to removing a champion from the game, right? There are very few champions who need that currently.

Cho'Gath's silence is NOT instant. It has a little over half a second of channel time before he uses it, and you have to be relatively close to them. Close enough so that they can engage on you if they strike first. And while it is a bit wider, you're forgetting that it's a cone ability. Malzahar's has a much bigger distance, and it's still very possible to silence multiple people at once for even longer than you can with Cho'Gath. Be thankful Cho'Gath can't silence you for FOUR seconds anymore.

Tengrichan1 votes

bump,hoping for a red answer

Gigahappytown1 votes

Ekkos best lane is objectively mid as he can snowball of mistakes from enemy laner and can gank the side lanes with his extremely strong utility and get easy kills

Highest dps(his burst is average at full build on the low side before then but he has the highest sustained damage out of any assassin) and massive teamfight presence his early game is weak but he snowballs hard

But jungle is a lot safer and easier for newer players so most people pick him there instead

Tengrichan1 votes

bump

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