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Hey Meddler, Lulu and Karma called. They want their lane back.

mSticky··4 votes·1,325 views

There are civil posts and there are venting posts - this is the second kind.

8.12 was over a month ago and Lulu Karma are still reeling from the 8.12 shield nerfs.

Lulu's numbers were balanced around her having a 6 second spammable shield. When the duration was cut (TO 2.5s) but the numbers stayed the same, the result was a move that feels a lot more unrewarding than it should. Lulu is basically a Q-maxing midlaner now, which is ironic given that the Q nerfs she received several seasons ago were specifically designed to kick her out of mid and top by hurting her waveclear.

Karma's situation is even worse. Seriously, Aatrox can't spend 4 days being subpar, but Karma can spend 6+ weeks at a 45% winrate with zero acknowledgment of her shortcomings or intentions for a rework/buff? Lol.

Seems like Meddler, Ghostcrawler and co. just threw the 8.12 shield nerfs in on a whim and then moved on to other things.

https://champion.gg/champion/Lulu/Support https://champion.gg/champion/karma/Support

9 Comments

Krully3 votes

they should have nerfed her ploymorph on enemy instead of the shield also, ghostcrawler was respnsible for the state of horse archers in aoe1, so why hes allowed near balancing a game is beyond me

Lets have shrex2 votes

Lulu was ridiculous because of the huge shield and a 100% uptime on them, but also due to her ultimate and her polymorph. They just gutted her shield beyond oblivion and said "heck y'all happy".

Karma was already weak and they nerfed her so idk what's up with rito anymore

Meanwhile reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee buff Domination and item 3095

Warlord Rhinark2 votes

I think the nerfs to the durations of the shields were deserving. It adds more skill expression that just "mindlessly spam this button on your carry over and over again and you win".

However, the nerf to heal and shield power on support items were kinda uncalled for so I'd like a revert on that.

And while we're at it, nerf assassins.

mSticky1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bgqRHzeI,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-07-05T15:52:48.382+0000)

I think the nerfs to the durations of the shields were deserving. It adds more skill expression that just "mindlessly spam this button on your carry over and over again and you win".

However, the nerf to heal and shield power on support items were kinda uncalled for so I'd like a revert on that.

And while we're at it, nerf assassins.

Duration nerfs are fine. I'm more worried about the overall power of shields in general. It makes sense for a shorter shield to be stronger (either a little stronger or moderately stronger) than a spammable idiot-proof shield, no? Why they left the base numbers unchanged for every shield champ is beyond me.

The heal & shield power nerfs didn't really accomplish much. Most enchanters are still gonna build Ardent/Redemption every game anyways. They're still nerfs and they're not gamebreaking, but they don't change the build paths/playstyles of their main buyers, so I don't think the changes accomplished their intended goals. I guess they make supports who don't build those items every game comparatively stronger? (i.e. Bard Rakan).

Hethalean1 votes

I'm ok with Lulu being out of the most played support meta for a while considering she's dominated for a few years and is the one of the most annoying support to play against. Her win rate dropping by 3% with just putting a change on her kit meaning she has to think when to shield (let's be real... shielding should pop quick anyway with the damages these days so timing it right shouldn't matter if that's what you were doing) tells me lots of people were doing well on her despite being really bad at her.

mSticky1 votes

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I'm ok with Lulu being out of the most played support meta for a while considering she's dominated for a few years and is the one of the most annoying support to play against. Her win rate dropping by 3% with just putting a change on her kit meaning she has to think when to shield (let's be real... shielding should pop quick anyway with the damages these days so timing it right shouldn't matter if that's what you were doing) tells me lots of people were doing well on her despite being really bad at her.

I normally don't take troll bait, but I'll do it anyway.

"Dominating?" Lulu? Lol. She was barely at 50% WR prenerf. Last time she was really meta was during 2017 worlds, and that was because item 3504 was broken.

The idea that the shield nerf only punished players who don't "think" when shielding is pretty narrowminded. A 3.5s duration reduction means you can ONLY use her shield reactively, which limits your playmaking options when assisting engages and chases. Not gonna rewrite the rest of the argument - you can read it here.

And my dude, what is this argument about how "shields should be popping quick" and how "timing it right shouldn't matter?" If the counterplay to shielding is supposed to be "wait out the shield then go in," then, shields need to be something WORTH respecting in the first place. I'm not going to ELO-shame you, but I don't think you should be making such judgments without a stronger grasp on Lulu and support in general. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=hethalean

Salvor Hardın3 votes

"I'm not going to ELO-shame you but i gonna put you profile in the post so anyone can see your ELO"

Marvellous.

Warlord Rhinark2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Salvor Hardın,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bgqRHzeI,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-05T15:49:14.926+0000)

"I'm not going to ELO-shame you but i gonna put you profile in the post so anyone can see your ELO"

Marvellous.

Pinnacle of human ingenuity folks

Purgë1 votes

if u cant play those champs and win with them simply ur so bad

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