Can we please do something about Lux and Morgana?

Kallian·Sep 20, 2016·3 votes·1,428 views

It could just be me, but I feel there's way too much utility and AP scaling with both of them.

has a 2-second snare with a 70% AP scale on her Q, her E at max rank has a 45% slow and a 60% ratio(mind you has a big-ass cast range and area), and her ult does(at lvl 6) 300 + 75% AP This could just be me in my bronze lack-of-git-gud, but I feel her kit is just a little overloaded

has a minimum snare of 2 seconds and a 90% AP scaling on her Q, and her W does missing health damage with a 110% AP scaling. Her Ult gives a 20% slow and a 75% AP scaling.

Seriously, all you have to do with these kind of champions is build a ward item or plus and build full ap after that and you have a utility/executor style support

23 Comments

Ruin LanceSep 20, 20163 votes

rylai's is shit on both of them

Maximum MordeSep 20, 20162 votes

Eh, it's reasonable on Morgana to give her puddle a slow and make her R slow a touch stronger, gives her some more beef, and still has nice AP. I wouldn't call it a priority item but it's certainly never a bad buy.

EndlessSorcererSep 20, 20161 votes

It seems like a hard purchase to justify though.

If I want the AP and health, why wouldn't I just purchase Hextech Protobelt, Rod of Ages or Liandry's Torment instead? They provide similar stats and more useful effects compared to a small amount of additional CC which is usually redundant anyways.

SohleksSep 20, 20161 votes

In a siege situation the Rylias slow helps her puddle clump the minions for further tick time, and the clumping may help teammates' AoE.

The Rylias also turns her protobelt into a GLP imitation too, which then lets you land Q on a slowed target from range farther than GLP's ever known.

The question is why would you ever buy a RoA when its stats are Rylias without a useful passive. When I play Morgana mid 2 doran's rings has been enough for me. RoA is a rly overrated bad noob item except in the case of a tear build which are so uncommon.

I mean Rylias is just kinda broken so it's not a fair comparison :)

Morgana item 3152 item 3116 item 3117 item 1056

The most disgusting freelo I've ever found.

I would also question why you would ever build a RoA when you can do this item 3165 item 3116

Basically in the state of the game buying a Rylias is never a bad idea. Rylias Leblanc. Rylias Ahri. Rylias Rylias Rylias. Why not?

Ruin LanceSep 20, 20161 votes

just wondering why morello's > roa on morg?

SohleksSep 20, 20161 votes

I skip the Morello's on morg, and go double doran's protobelt. At that point on mana is less of a concern and I can finish Rylias and make protobelt shoot ice rockets that slow for your Q.

Rylias' stats are basically RoA but has a super useful slowing passive.

On other champs I may have Morello's in the build for mana/cdr. And then Rylias. There is just no reason to build RoA unless we NEED mana and going a resistance item next Zhonyas or Abyssal. Neither of those two items are very strong anymore though.

Admittedly I don't dive ult with Morgana very often so Zhonya's is lower priority for me. I fish for Q's a ton. When I do go in it's an extremely high % chance play. I also play Morgana as a roamer rushing mobility shoes just pool the wave and bringing her obnoxious cc/burst to bot and top lane and win the game for my team. Roaming is overpowered mid lane and is easier key to victory than outskilling your lane opponent 1v1.

Rylias and protobelt are just overpowered items that synergize well together and with Morgana.

Put multiple overpowered items on a champ that's very had to stop and interact with in mid lane who abuses her roaming & cc & burst and chances of winning skyrocket for that player.

Ruin LanceSep 20, 20161 votes

ah ok, thanks. i've been thinking about picking up morgana lately so any advice helps.

Brain Errör 404Sep 20, 20162 votes

I take them both bot lane with my buddy. Land a morg binding, follow up with a lux q. Watch them squirm... and rage. And go afk

Fun times. They're fine.

KallianSep 20, 20161 votes

its just so much CC, espically in team fights when they take a Chogath

AstôlfoSep 20, 20162 votes

And then you realize CSing with either in early is fairly mana-hungry and slow, and the ADC can avoid both Qs by standing behind minions (or 2, in case of Lux's), or just dodge them altogether.

All SkillzzSep 20, 20161 votes

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I take them both bot lane with my buddy. Land a morg binding, follow up with a lux q. Watch them squirm... and rage. And go afk

Fun times. They're fine.

i played with a morg lux duo who went bot i was ap ez mid an we had jungle amumu. anyone hit by a Q from anyone died instantly lol.

AstôlfoSep 20, 20162 votes

See Lux or Morgana using their Q.
RMB click to the side.
???
Profit.

Also please stop misrepresenting information.

Morgana's W only has a 110% AP scaling total after 5 seconds. You should not be standing on said AoE damage-field for 5 seconds. Also Rylai's is not a priority item on Lux or Morgana by any means.

sheldonbunnySep 20, 20162 votes

You forget that both started and are played mid quite frequently. They're fine. Honestly dodging their binds should become second nature to you, especially in botlane. Additionally looking at your most recent games, you played Sivir and Tristana, One has a built in counter with her spellshield, the other has one of the longest ranges in the game and two escapes.

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rylai's is shit on both of them

Shit as in really good or really bad?

AstôlfoSep 20, 20161 votes

Shit as in really bad.

sheldonbunnySep 20, 20162 votes

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Shit as in really bad.

I was asking the one who said it, not you. Additionally no it's actually amazing on Morgana. Gives easy sticking power inlane as well as during teamfights.

AstôlfoSep 20, 20161 votes

Except I can explain it just as well? And no, it's shit on Morgana. It's one of the most expensive items in the game at 3200, and fails to provide any of the CDR/team-oriented utility Sup!Morg would want and fails to provide any of the mana/self-protection (Zhonya's)/magic pen/waveclear she needs.

Sure, if you got it for free, that'd be nice. It's not worth buying until extreme late game as one of her last items, if that, on mid-Morg only.

No need to get bratty.

sheldonbunnySep 20, 20161 votes

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Except I can explain it just as well? And no, it's shit on Morgana. It's one of the most expensive items in the game at 3200, and fails to provide any of the CDR/team-oriented utility Sup!Morg would want and fails to provide any of the mana/self-protection (Zhonya's)/magic pen/waveclear she needs.

Sure, if you got it for free, that'd be nice. It's not worth buying until extreme late game as one of her last items, if that, on mid-Morg only.

No need to get bratty.

Sweetie, I wasn't being bratty, I was asking the person who said it. Your answering it has no bearing on getting my answer to that inquiry. No need for you to get defensive.

And considering I play Morgana mid, it is worth the expense every time as an early item. It's how i've won lanes and aided in teamfights. As for support, depends on how well you do inlane. A well fed support Morg on kills/assists can bankroll a fair amount.

AstôlfoSep 20, 20161 votes

Except there's no reason to just immediately dismiss it because the same person didn't answer? Even more so considering it's an incredibly general and common-sense question almost anyone could answer? And you can drop the condescending act. Thanks. :)

You're also Silver 5. I don't mean it in a rank shame way to you. But the thing is, almost no one can dodge a skillshot/CS properly in the first place at that ELO, which is entirely what defines her in the first place.

Rylai's is redundant.

You shouldn't need a slow to hit the Q. The Q's snare also lasts longer than the slow does when you hit it. Her cursed ground AoE is for waveclear, zoning, and damage in teamfights where people can't really move anyways. That doesn't need a slow. Her shield wouldn't even apply it. And your ultimate needs Zhonya's + you to go into enemy team, not a slow on top of the 20% + huge tether range which leads into a stun anyways.

EndlessSorcererSep 20, 20161 votes

Why would I want it on Morgana?

Her Q's snare is a longer duration, her ultimate already has a slow and her E can't effect enemy targets. The only ability it would help with would be her W, but they are generally already CCed when you drop it on them.

Maximum MordeSep 20, 20162 votes

Morgana's W does not do missing health damage. It scales its own base damage based on if you are low or not.