About Conqueror and tanks.

Queš·7/14/2018, 7:48:14 PM·15 votes·10,373 views
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First lets look at our beloved top tanks.

  1. Sion He got destroyed by recent nerfs because,even after conqueror,he was destroying ppl in lane and was #1-2 priority pick in competitive.As a fellow s5-s7 Sion player I can say that he is one of the safest pick on top and you used to win lane against 90% roster.Watch patch history he got nerfed hard.
  2. Ornn He got nerfed at 45% wr like 2 patches ago because he was too dominant in pro play,EVEN WITH CONQUEROR EXISTING.He IS still solid pick in competitive,but in soloq there is a little hope for him and no.it is not because in conqueror.In fact I think even now he wins majority of lane matchup with conqueror.
  3. Shen He got nerf on PBE right now despite his very poor performance in soloq.But why?Because he is too strong in competitive and shares fate of those above.
  4. Singed this dude has like 52% wr even with recent nerfs,he is not even close to being "weak".
  5. Poppy this annoying Yordle got recently buffed(remember how she was 100% p/b in competitive and riot had to destroy her with nerfs) and she is being picked in competitive again + she is good in soloq too now.She wins against majority of divers and skirmishers.
  6. Malphite even though he is the most outdated tank - he is still ok in soloq(obviously no picks in competitive).In fact he counters many bruisers.
  7. Maokai idk why he isnt played more,he is good right now.I think he will be picked soon in competitive again(also he got nerfed constantly because of his competitive performance).49-50% wr.
  8. Nautilus well he is forgotten kinda,i am not sure how good he is,but even if he becomes SLIGHTY decent - he get immideately picked in competitive because of his R and Q.Very risky to buff champion.
  9. Gragas just got buffed and ,even though his wr in soloq only 47-48%,he is already being pciked everywhere in competitive.Coincidence?
  10. DrMundo Lets say he is tank,just because he is kinda huge meatshield and should,in theory,care about resistances and conqueror.He is super good right now.
  11. Chogath he is good and being used sometimes in competitive.

You can see very interesting pattern that tanks are always very strong in competitive and they get nerfs BECAUSE OF THAT and many of them are not viable because of that nerfs and not because of conqueror.

Now lets imagine for a moment that Conqueror is removed from the game or nerfed into 1% true damage conversion and 1-5 ad bonus. Lets look what happens to all kind of fighters in top lane.

1.Aatrox He wont care at all,his most usefull runes are Comet,Grasp and Electro.He doesnt need conqueror to win versus tanks,nothing changes here. 2.Darius He used to destroy tanks b4 conqueror,he wont care at all.He has free 30% armor pen on E and his insane passive+ulti to cut any tank.He care the most about AD on conqueror.Nothing changes for him,he will stil ldestroy tanks. 3. Camille Pta user,she wont care about conqueror removal.She wins vs tanks easily. 4. Fiora Removal of conqueror will actually help her,because there will be no longer "noob trap" for her and she will probably use Grasp 90% of the time and she has no problem dealing with any tank(remember her insane % health true damage?She literally oneshots tanks after 3 items).She wont care about conqueror removal. 5. Gangplank He doesnt care about conqueror at all,he destroys tanks with any rune. 6. Gnar He wont care at all,he doesnt need it. 7. Garen uses grasp/phase rush anyway,he will actually like conqueror removal. 8 Illaoi Does not use conqueror,still smashes every tank.Wont care about conq removal. 9. JarvanIV Non conqueror user anyway.He doesnt care. 10. Jayce Non conqueror user.He doesnt care. 11. Mordekaiser Non conqueror user.Smashes tanks without it without problem. 12. Nasus Non conqueror user,smashes tanks without it anyway.Likes conqueror removal. 13. Pantheon Non conqueror user.Loses to tanks,nothing changes for him. 14. Rengar Non conqueror user.He doesnt care. 15. Rumble Non conqueror user.Smashes tanks without it. 16. Urgot Non conqueror user.Has no problem with tanks. 17. Yorick Smashes tanks without conqueror without problems.Doesnt care if it gets removed. 18. Trundle Volibear 2 weird bruisers,both dont use it and nothing changes for them,actually helps them more. 19. Yasuo Remember about his new toy item 3031 and 50% armor pen on R.He likes Conqueror,but mostly because of bonus AD(with crits its 20-70 bonus remember).He wont have problems dealing with tanks if Conqueror gets removed,but he likes conqueror mostly because of its ad. 20. Tryndamere another crit champ,he likes conqueror because free AD and true damage conversion,with true damage he can deal with tanks.However remember that item 3031 item 3036 recent changes.He will still be able to deal with tanks easily lategame,however he wont like it at all. 21. Riven She uses conqueror to win versus tanks,however because of conqueror's trading pattern - Riven players dont really like it.She will still be able to deal with tanks easily on a side lane because of LW revert.She doesnt really mind if conqueror gets removed. 22. Renekton Because of LW he can deal with tanks easily anyway.He wont mind conq removal that much,because he really likes PTA. 23. Kled Probably will use LW aswell and likes PTA too. 24. Irelia first real loser of conqueror,she wont be able to deal with tanks and she loses lane to them even now anyway,she will be forgotten or be forced to afkfarm. 25. Jax 2nd huge loser.He has no tools to deal with tanks and loses lane to them.Probably he will be forced to pick klepto and afkfarm or PTA and cheese lanes.

So in reality we have 2(of 26) hard losers of conqueror removal:Jax Irelia

4 kinda losers,who can still easily win vs tanks and salvage themselves with LW: Renekton Riven Kled Tryndamere (+IE)

Others dont really care about it and smash tanks anyway.

Also there is 1 "problematic" MasterYi ,but he will melt tanks without conqueror too anyway,problem lies in his passive/rageblade + E interaction.He gets around 100 true damage on hit at 2-3 items and with passive/rageblade interaction he does like 500 true damage dps.

Removing conqueror wont save tanks.Conqueror nerfs wont make them viable.You have to remember other changes to the game in recent patches like : item 3036 item 3031 + tanks individual nerfs.

43 Comments

Frontline Fury7/14/2018, 7:53:37 PM8 votes

Removing conqueror would be extremely healthy for top lane dicersity, but Riot only cares about diversity when it’s for bot lanes because it’s fun to watch in pro plays.

Also balancing top lane can result in longer games and gods forbid players would be allowed to strategize.

Warlord Rhinark7/14/2018, 8:18:17 PM7 votes

Remove Conqueror and bring back Fervor of Battle.

Same concept, without the toxic, unnecessary true damage.

Ahpe7/14/2018, 9:19:12 PM3 votes

{quoted} 6. Gnar He wont care at all,he doesnt need it. 9. JarvanIV Non conqueror user anyway.He doesnt care. 10. Jayce Non conqueror user.He doesnt care. 11. Mordekaiser Non conqueror user.Smashes tanks without it without problem. 13. Pantheon Non conqueror user.Loses to tanks,nothing changes for him. 14. Rengar Non conqueror user.He doesnt care. 15. Rumble Non conqueror user.Smashes tanks without it.

Don't include these guys in your argument, Conqueror would have never appied to these guys in the first place because:

A)Not even an AD bruiser B)Not a top laner C)Gnar got fucking cucked when Conqueror was released lmao

kda akali7/14/2018, 11:43:05 PM3 votes
  1. She uses conqueror to win versus tanks,however because of conqueror's trading pattern - Riven players dont really like it.She will still be able to deal with tanks easily on a side lane because of LW revert.She doesnt really mind if conqueror gets removed.

LW isn't effective early for Riven, It lacks the CDR that Riven needs for early game. Riven players take Conqueror to be able to 1v1 tanks in the early game. LW is a good item on Riven in the mid/lategame though.

Fízz v27/14/2018, 7:54:06 PM3 votes

I played Ornn a bit and it feels like it kinda is because of Conqueror. Tryndamere bashing my full armor head in with just a PD? :thinking:

Meep Man7/15/2018, 2:49:07 AM2 votes

I always get a little annoyed whenever I see someone call Singed a Tank and not a Fighter. He very clearly acts like any other immobile Fighters, just with magic damage.

Otherwise, good points.

hi ìm groot7/15/2018, 10:19:59 AM1 votes

Is this in response to the 4 AD being shaved off conq? Why are there abunch of conq posts now. Also this kind of stuff needs a TL/DR cuz damn... aint nobody got time for that.

Weiner the Pooh7/15/2018, 12:49:43 AM1 votes

A funny thing about Fiora and conquerer is that she has one of the most flexible keystone paths possible. She can use pta to maximize her damage, she can use fleet footwork to be even more slippery, and she has grasp available as well.

Keshaun7/15/2018, 4:51:33 AM1 votes

Removing conquerer would allow tanks to play the game. Press The Attack users would bully before first back, but once you get your armor and come back to lane, you're fine. Against conquerer users, you're not playing the same game if you come back with armor and they come back with a Tiamat. That would solve one problem in the current meta with tanks becoming viable again. This would also solve what I think is a problem with assassins being viable every game since there's not a tank to cc and eat up damage. Removing Conquerer is only the start of changing the met, obviously.

Hexs Fortune7/15/2018, 5:35:31 AM1 votes

I support conqueror being nerfed. I view it as bonus power to champs who have the mobility to force engages at full stacks and stick to their target.