Surrender should not count against thoes that vote against it.

sonics shadow·Apr 5, 2017·2 votes·537 views

What sense does it make for a person to suffer a defeat because their team out voted them for a surrender. They should not be punished because their team fed. If a person has a 0/20 score and they vote no, then they should be punished. however if they have something like a positive or equal score but their team is just crap, then they shouldn't be punished with a defeat; lowering their mmr and causing them to be matched with more people that suck. Im fine with surrender in the game, it shouldn't punish those that want to continue to play and they are doing decent or excellent in lane or game.

13 Comments

YokoNomiApr 5, 20171 votes

That's a lot of unnecessary free passes, and is something that could be abused relentlessly, and without a safe word to hold it back.

sonics shadowApr 11, 20171 votes

/\ Ok fair point, then it should hurt their mmr less, if their score corrisponds to their vote. i.e. person voting no has a score of 17/3 then they /\dont get the harsh mmr hit. but if someone is 0/20 and they vote no, then they are hit harder.

ChargeItDownMidApr 5, 20171 votes

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sonics shadowApr 11, 20171 votes

Not necessarily. If someone goes 1/26 and they are the jg, or the mid. but you have pressure at your top because you are constantly getting ganked because you are the only one ahead on your team. I wouldn't be able to help them. There is no cure for stupidity, only putting them into a corner of the ques where they will never bother players like me.

HalcyonDwellerApr 5, 20171 votes

I don't see how that wouldn't be abused.

Maybe Riot could do something else to reward people for not surrendering, but loss prevented is way too much to ask for.

sonics shadowApr 11, 20171 votes

Ok fair point, then it should hurt their mmr less, if their score corrisponds to their vote. i.e. person voting no has a score of 17/3 then they dont get the harsh mmr hit. but if someone is 0/20 and they vote no, then they are hit harder.

HalcyonDwellerApr 11, 20171 votes

Behavioral Psychology shows that punishment is not very effective for changing behaviors.

Rewarding a substitute behavior that cannot occur at the same time as the targeted behavior achieves better results in less time.

Maximum MordeApr 5, 20171 votes

Nah that's a terrible idea.

AnastaeciaApr 5, 20171 votes

It's usually the feeders that wont surrender.

sonics shadowApr 11, 20171 votes

In my experience it is the ones that arent feeding that surrender, however i never surrender. Any game can be turned if people stop dying.

QuephaApr 5, 20171 votes

I think people surrender too often but this is an awful idea. It would be nearly impossible to get a surrender vote while people are thinking "if I'm the only one to vote 'no' then this won't count as a loss!"

sonics shadowApr 11, 20171 votes

That is why riot needs to put more mmr algorithm weight on scores. Because as it is now i believe they don't count a persons score at all. For thoes that feed and have a score like 0/25 should take a heaver hit to their mmr than someone who had gone 17/3.

QuephaApr 11, 20171 votes

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That is why riot needs to put more mmr algorithm weight on scores. Because as it is now i believe they don't count a persons score at all. For thoes that feed and have a score like 0/25 should take a heaver hit to their mmr than someone who had gone 17/3.

worst idea yet.