I'm this over the whole Hexakill thing. While I was very vocal about how oppressive she was in the mode, it does NOT mean that she requires a nerf - especially since Hexakill has left the game. The same might be said for Sona. Yes she has a high win rate - this is, however, merely due to her simplicity as a character.
Note: To all you and any of jackasses insulting - or those planning to - me for using Kat - I don't even own her.
Circuit Bear8 votesSona nerfs I dislike since I feel the reason her win percentage is high is because nobody knows the matchup and almost anyone who plays her mains her, so she has an unnaturally high win rate. I can't really argue against it though cause she has the third highest win rate, similar to rammus(who really does need nerfs).
Personally as my friend and I both main Sona, I dislike it cause most the people I play against act like they have no idea how to play against Sona. Often picking Blitz and Leona into me, and letting me harass them under half before level two, like just letting it happen.
By the way, Blitz and Leona both have a three times higher play rate and only 2% less on the win rate at 52% each.
Personally just bothers me, but then again, I'm a bit ugh about their balancing since I see Thresh, Lee, so forth every damn game it feels like and Cass, Skarner both got butchered who are two of my favorite characters.
Sailor Mint1 votesAt 12% pick rate, it's not just Sona mains at this point.
Anyway, the Sona circle jerk succeeded in raising awareness on the current state of Sona.
I just wish they would let her Q aura proc off of skills and bump the shield to 2 sec.
Circuit Bear3 votesNot sure what Sona circle jerk you are referring too. Haven't seen anyone mention her. The only people who even realize she exists in my groups are the people who main her.
Also when I checked it was 8% for the past week. Might have checke dwrong though, exhausted currently. And matchup inexperience still factors in. I can outright say that up to plat it feels like nobody knows how to play the matchup, at all.
Sailor Mint4 votes54.5% win rate / ~12% pick rate on NA.
A small group of people has been bumping tons of Sona threads requesting buffs because the "rework ruined her". Still unsure if they were trying to get her buffed or nerfed.
MrSlowDie5 voteswhy sona ??
Kat Head4 votesKatarina Death Lotus ( R ) cooldown increased to 90/60/45 from 60/52.5/45 Death Lotus (R) [there are some damage changes, rank one is down to 350 from 400. Checking others]
The base damage nerf on Katarina R is overkill, especially with cooldown of R going up. A 2 second channel for 350 damage ? Nerfing a weak early game champion with early game nerfs is a little iffy. This removes reset potential for her ulti pre level 11, you could penta and you will not get your ulti back.
Knight SoIaire 4 votesbut her ult already got tweaked in a way that makes stopping it with cc barely effective (she deals big part of her dmg the instant she presses r, so she does not require a 2 sec channel to go fully off)
so i personaly agree with the nerfs (they made the only counterplay she had less effective so i think they should reduce the excess power she had, especialy when she starts going popular and got a preety high winrate atm )
sona on the other hand does not feel opressive cause as always most of her power is close to invisible (she does quite much but it does not seem that way when you look at the screen)
This removes reset potential for her ulti pre level 11, you could penta and you will not get your ulti back.
her resets are for her basic skills, also nnothing realy punished kata for failing her ult, assist or 2 and she had everything up ALWAYS (thats quite much )
Kat Head2 votesbut her ult already got tweaked in a way that makes stopping it with cc barely effective (she deals big part of her dmg the instant she presses r, so she does not require a 2 sec channel to go fully off)
so i personaly agree with the nerfs (they made the only counterplay she had less effective so i think they should reduce the excess power she had, especialy when she starts going popular and got a preety high winrate atm )
sona on the other hand does not feel opressive cause as always most of her power is close to invisible (she does quite much but it does not seem that way when you look at the screen)
This removes reset potential for her ulti pre level 11, you could penta and you will not get your ulti back.
her resets are for her basic skills, also nnothing realy punished kata for failing her ult, assist or 2 and she had everything up ALWAYS (thats quite much )
LOL
Raptamei4 votesThe forum constantly complains about Kat.
Obviously Riot is going to nerf her.
Mikal Pikal3 votesYeah saw this coming...yet even with all the akali threads she at least got something back. Kat got nerfed pretty hard actually, assuming the changes stick.
Knight SoIaire 1 votesriot wouldnt touch her, but she slowly gets big all other assasins are getting nurfd into oblivion so we get a sloppy deck shuffle, i think that once kata gets a hit we will see a very high spike (that spike already exists but its not like realy big) in akalis popularity
then all the assasins will be utter crap, and we will see bursty mages getting gutted (syndra veigar, viktor etc)
OJ1913 votesKatarina Death Lotus ( R ) cooldown increased to 90/60/45 from 60/52.5/45 Death Lotus (R) [there are some damage changes, rank one is down to 350 from 400. Checking others]
The base damage nerf on Katarina R is overkill, especially with cooldown of R going up. A 2 second channel for 350 damage ? Nerfing a weak early game champion with early game nerfs is a little iffy. This removes reset potential for her ulti pre level 11, you could penta and you will not get your ulti back.
you say that like anyone else can get 350 base damage on a rank 1 ult that isn't DoT or continuous.
even fiddle ult only does 250 over 2 seconds, and his only other meaningful damage source at that point can be cancelled entirely.
Kirze2 votesyou say that like anyone else can get 350 base damage on a rank 1 ult that isn't DoT or continuous.
OJ1911 votesyou say that like anyone else can get 350 base damage on a rank 1 ult that isn't DoT or continuous.
accurate username is accurate
on the other hand I'll give it to you considering how often I've had enemy panth ult bug out and not show the circle in a timely manner.
Mirage Night3 votesKatarina Death Lotus ( R ) cooldown increased to 90/60/45 from 60/52.5/45 Death Lotus (R) [there are some damage changes, rank one is down to 350 from 400. Checking others]
The base damage nerf on Katarina R is overkill, especially with cooldown of R going up. A 2 second channel for 350 damage ? Nerfing a weak early game champion with early game nerfs is a little iffy. This removes reset potential for her ulti pre level 11, you could penta and you will not get your ulti back.
you say that like anyone else can get 350 base damage on a rank 1 ult that isn't DoT or continuous.
even fiddle ult only does 250 over 2 seconds, and his only other meaningful damage source at that point can be cancelled entirely.
Yet, he has 2 forms of total cc inaddtion to his abilities. Poor ass comparison.
ProfDrDeath2 votesyou say that like anyone else can get 350 base damage on a rank 1 ult that isn't DoT or continuous.
Essentially, Kat's ult is a damage over time effect. She deals 35 damage base every 0.25 seconds over the course of 2.5 seconds.
Alljoy2 votesWhat's the nerf?
Trading Aces1 votesKatarina Death Lotus ( R ) cooldown increased to 90/60/45 from 60/52.5/45
Sona Hymn of Valor (Q) aura on hit magic damage AP ratio lowered to .2 from .25
Alljoy1 votesSo they nerfed Sona's Q scaling?
Circuit Bear1 votesNo, they nerfed her heal too, added a minor heal increase by 5 at all ranks. But the 1% to 1% got reduced to .5% to 1%. Surrender at 20 has it marked as a buff for some reason though.
Emmy Cha0s3 votesIt's listed as a buff because % scaling is trash. She'll heal more at ranks 1 and 2 now where it needs to be. Admittedly, doing tradeoffs like these on an F-class champ like Sona proves the balance team is incompetent, but at least they're finally getting tired of players pointing out they're unqualified.
Since it's 2 nerfs for lessening 1 nerf, I'm certain Fearless is still in full control, this reeks of his Sona hate. Three nerfs and zero buffs still makes her weaker than her former self in every regard. This is the same BS he pulled when she was on PBE: nerf Celerity's CD and Hymn's bolt dmg to keep Hymn's CD nerfed.
Marthian2 votesKatarina's been getting slight buffs over time due to her counters getting nerfed.
As for Sona, she's still really strong, even if she is a simple character.
Durzaka2 votesSona is probably getting nerfed for the same reason Rammus is. She is dominating solo queue right now.
Hayaishi1 votesHigh win rate champions deserve nothing but nerfs, deal with it.
BerserkGoldfish1 votesThey Kind of just made it so shes not as oppressive as soon as she hits 6. she shouldn't be able to go ham just by hitting 6, now she can only go ham flavoring until 11.
SpecterVonBaren1 votesYes... YEEEEEEEESSSSSS! Some slight lightening of the oppressive weight of Sona in ARAM.