why cant we have a stacking jungle item?

BlâckLotus··2 votes·1,251 views

i enjoyed playing jungle shyvana/jax/xin zhao with the old devourer now they are practicaly no longer viable,how can riot kill season 1 junglers with no one complaining? why is twisted fate more viable as a jungler than jax? thats just not right man.why would anyone pick a jax tbh nowadays when you can just take amumu or sejuani more hp more tanky and more damage+cc.rito pls bring jungle diversity back.

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Aids cuz League3 votes

Ill explain. Removing the stacking item didn't remove junglers from the game that used it. item 1419 item 1418 item 1416 is still here. So is item 3124 which got Sated Devourers passive but a price increase.

You got more stacks for ganking sure, but... Why? Why was 1-2 extra stacks worth risking a potential double kill when! Scuttler gave 2 Stacks. 4 Stacks if you got both which most people did, and large monsters gave 1 stack. So let's calculate this

2 Scuttlers - 4 stacks, 6 total large mobs, 6 stacks. That's 10 stacks per full jungle clear WITHOUT trying to go for the enemy jungle camps. And dragon/rift was worth 5 stacks. So ALL together, if you get a dragon plus full jg clear, thats 15, stacks, do it again and you have Sated Devourer without risking your death to the enemy team. But the problem with that was if their jungler was ganking it was putting them ahead cause they were all getting fed while only you were getting fed.

To top that off though, once you were fed into Sated Devourer it actually DOUBLED your item count cause every on hit effect triggered a second time every other hit. Build the slightest bit of tank/lifesteal/damage and you weren't able to be killed. It was an easy and dull style of gameplay that made people quit. But Riot removed it cause of that but still Riot said wait, no no.. this was good(Stupid?) And so they put it on Guinsoos Rageblade.

I hate the Tank Meta too, and I honestly hate all the recently released Champions(Taliyah because of her eyebrows and the fact that Riot took her from Avatar shows their lack of imagination in Champions recently --> Look at the next one, its Yordle Rengar riding a Lizard how innovative?.... Not to mention ANOTHER STACKING MECHANIC AND A TEAM GLOBALT ULT AGAIN??) There is too much damage for this game and for the turrets to handle. It's much more fun playing ARAMs than Summoners Rift. And its much more fun not playing this game than playing ARAMs. I stopped giving Riot any kind of money awhile ago.

ProfDrDeath1 votes

Phantom Hit is a desirable effect for the game, in general. However, it needs to come at an appropriate price and opportunity cost. With Devourer, the price was not appropriate, although the opportunity cost was (required Smite and time in the jungle) in a vacuum - the kind of playstyle it encourage was not ok, though.

Now, Phantom Hit is on a 3600 gold item. Since it is the ultimate on-hit multiplicator effect, this falls in line with the ultimate crit multiplicator effect (Infinity Edge, 3600 gold) and the ultimate AP multiplicator effect (Rabadon's, 3800 gold).

Stray Kat3 votes

Because it encourages the jungler to do nothing except farm all day, and ignore their lanes. Also makes for boring LCS play when it's something they'd actually use, which apparently matters.

Axe2Handle2 votes

Because stacking jungle items encouraged less champion interaction and AFK farming the JG.

BlâckLotus2 votes

jg is the second less desirable role in the game,i dont see why riot would remove an entire category of junglers from the game.

LordGeovanni1 votes

removeing a style of play because it isnt exciting isnt right o healthy thats why farming junglers and split pushers are so weak atm when forced into this team fight or lose meta

BlâckLotus1 votes

u got more stacks by ganking and taking obectives though.

LordGeovanni1 votes

whether you did or not its safer and more reliable to farm jungle than change feeding your enemies more than your laners are already feeding them and your as long as you control vision your enemy envading you is not much of a problem

Astôlfo1 votes

Uh, Cinderhulk?

BlâckLotus1 votes

stacking with camps slain.like the old devourer.

Erockandroll1 votes

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stacking with camps slain.like the old devourer.

you know, I pondered on Why AFK farming was even necessary for a Devourer Jungler. Why was it "never enough stacks." Or "why can't you take a risk on a gank?"

What does Devourer have to compete with? And the Answer I came up with is, Itself. If you were a Devourer Jungler against another Devourer Jungler, You were in this constant state of Attrition, where the first one to stop farming loses.

That's why I felt like Sated was far better than the Infinity stacking. Because their was an Actual end point. As a Result, a Devourer Jungler who fell behind could still catch up. Which also means, fewer risks trying to pull off a gank.

warpenguin5551 votes

because being able to wipe out entire teams just by afk farming was toxic gameplay.

BlâckLotus1 votes

kills and drakes gave stacks too,usualy the jungler "only stacking" was usualy the one falling behind.

BlâckLotus1 votes

i made this thread because im tired of seeing the same assasins and 2 tank junglers every single game.

Selegun1 votes

If it does come back I want to see 60%+ stack loss on death similar to item 3041

Personally I'd rather not see it came back because more often than not the stacking mechanic caused allies to be super aggro for taking a single camp, let alone accidentally last hitting the dragon. After taking enemy blue buff and having to read a wall of text from my own jungler on why I shouldn't take camps he is walking towards I verbally agreed the moment I saw the patch notes removing Sated.

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

oh, I died.

guess ill be in jungle for another hour guys

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

because junglers will never leave the jungle even when the nexus is about to explode.

Arakadia1 votes

Jax is a pretty good Jungler. Not all champions are going to be equal, it's near impossible to do so.

The stacking jungle item might come back but they didn't like it because you just afk farmed and then got a massive power spike.

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