Riot: Rengar + Stormrazor + Dark Harvest + Duskblade = Totally Balanced

BeatzBoyFTW··62 votes·15,088 views

Builds one Banner of Command.

Riot: Woah there...

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Warlord Rhinark40 votes

Xerath item 3285 item 3089 item 3027 item 3135 item 3040 item 3020

Riot: [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

item 3083

Riot: WOAH THERE

(This joke only applies to ARAM, of course)

Votable Jester1 votes

Is item 3027 that great for him in ARAM? I guess it makes diving him even harder.

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Votable Jester,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bETlPB1i,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-06-12T09:38:38.021+0000)

Is item 3027 that great for him in ARAM? I guess it makes diving him even harder.

Meh.

I just wanted to go for as much AP as possible.

Anu3isII1 votes

Better pick item 3907 in this case ;)

Warlord Rhinark4 votes

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Better pick item 3907 in this case ;)

Oh yeah.

I forgot that item exists now.

mamamia14231 votes

actually item 3040 would be even better

Eternal Torment2 votes

item 3040 then 3x item 3029 (Stat growth isn't unique, harvest more mana for more ap) then a item 3089 ontop, ez 1200+ ap

Khristophoros2 votes

KogMaw . Riot: "I am ok with this"

Z3Sleeper2 votes

> item 3041

> only applies to ARAM

*triggered*

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

{quoted}

> item 3041

> only applies to ARAM

*triggered*

Oh I didn't know you could only buy it on SR.

I guess I'll just switch it out with Archangel's Staff then.

Daddy Ants1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bETlPB1i,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-06-12T09:26:32.869+0000)

Xerath item 3285 item 3089 item 3027 item 3135 item 3040 item 3020

Riot: [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

item 3083

Riot: WOAH THERE

(This joke only applies to ARAM, of course)

Warmog's does not exist in ARAM anymore.

?????

[{quoted}](name=Step Sis Lux,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bETlPB1i,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-06-12T09:27:42.735+0000)

Wait for new item on him, he gonna oneshot u and be unkillable

The new items have been iceboxed.

They are not going to consider releasing them until Preseason at a minimum.

Lowbo ‏@itslowbo

Hey all. We've decided to pull the Fighter item changes, except for Sterak's, from 8.12. We're hearing from a lot of players that they've seen too much disruption from Midseason, and we want to let the dust settle. Happy to chat if you have questions.

https://twitter.com/itslowbo/status/1006364777310969859

EkyonKun2 votes

Warmogs did indeed get removed in ARAM

DragonShea22 votes

Riot love damage but hates strategy

AR URF4 votes

{quoted}

Riot love damage but hates strategy

If I could give you a million up-votes I would.

French Courtesan12 votes

banner of command is not strategy. You are buffing up minion, and thats the end of story. Oh my you just caused lane to push. Oh my you put it on bot side so you can do baron. This isnt strategy. This is tryndamere for 2200 gold.

Boulderox7 votes

If you are saying banner isn't strategy, then getting bot tower, then roaming up through mid, taking tower, then top and getting that tower isn't a strategy either, it's going through the motions. Banner is the same way, you do it because it works, it is dumb and annoying, but is a strategy none the less

French Courtesan4 votes

Strategy is sacrificing something in order to gain something. You dont sacrifice anything when you banner a minion. Item costs close to nothing. It gives you armor and mr, move speed when close to towers + mini tryndamere. This isnt strategy. This is abuse. And its counterplay is literally another banner of command. You should not be rewarded for doing nothing.

Spank the Fox2 votes

Exactly.

Strategy is sending your Teleport-carrying champion down bot while you try to bait a Baron skirmish to at least get one objective, because risk-reward is calculated and the outcome is still dictated by multiple factors.

Building Banner is set and forget, the risk when it’s too good is next to zero for the reward it was providing.

Boulderox7 votes

Strategy is not defined by sacrificing something in order to gain something, that is not true in the slightest, strategy employs using resources to create a circumstance that favors you to MINIMIZE LOSSES and MAXIMIZE gains or chances of success. But my point still stands about the bot tower up through top tower seige, you risk very little because the enemy is forced to respond or lose it faster, and usually by the time they respond it is gone. On the other hand using up an item slot and spending gold to push waves while you aren't there isn't a sacrifice or anything right... and by your logic, does Yorick ult and minions have to be removed now because it does the same damn thing, and it can give him gold for it pushing without him? what does Heimerdinger sacrifice with his Illuminati turret array?

I don't like banner any more than the next person, but saying item 3060 has no strategy, a large portion of the game becomes "not a strategy". It is however easily abused, which i agree full heatedly with you on

French Courtesan1 votes

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Strategy is not defined by sacrificing something in order to gain something, that is not true in the slightest, strategy employs using resources to create a circumstance that favors you to MINIMIZE LOSSES and MAXIMIZE gains or chances of success. But my point still stands about the bot tower up through top tower seige, you risk very little because the enemy is forced to respond or lose it faster, and usually by the time they respond it is gone. On the other hand using up an item slot and spending gold to push waves while you aren't there isn't a sacrifice or anything right...

You arent sacrificing slot, you get item that is, if my math is correct, around 90% gold efficient and thats only raw stats. If you paid 2200 gold for one time use item, a banner of command, then you are sacrificing something.

and by your logic, does Yorick ult and minions have to be removed now because it does the same damn thing, and it can give him gold for it pushing without him?

His ult is much easier to kill, its his ulti, he doesnt have option, to buy more usefull ulti into teamfight. Sure I do hate Yoricks ult, and honestly wish all these aids mechanics that reward you for doing nothing (utilizing minions, utilizing turrets, utilizing anything that doesnt require more brain activity than toddler when he is sleeping), but giving his ultimate to any champion(especially tanks and supports) that already build cheap items, and also making it much stronger than his own ult, simply isnt fair. Banner of command is stupid item that should be simply removed. You arent adding any gameplay when you buy this item, you are only making pushing againist it annoying, you are abusing the fact that enemy support did not buy it. Every time I see any strats like ZZ portal sion mid I want to puke. This play style is rewarding you for no game knowledge other than, if i build this cheap item early in the game, my lane opponent will loose tower for no effort at all. All of this stupid items should be removed. You should be rewarded for playing the game, not buffing AI (shit one too) controlled NPCs. This isnt MMO, you arent summoner.

what does Heimerdinger sacrifice with his Illuminati turret array?

Mana, cooldowns, they are stationary, they are easy to kill. And ye I still want this shit nerfed. But its much weaker compared to banner. + He has to be close to them for them to function. If you had banner, that passivelly buffed minions around you, I would consider that a "mechanic" even though this sounds dumb as fuck too.

I don't like banner any more than the next person, but saying item 3060 has no strategy, a large portion of the game becomes "not a strategy". It is however easily abused, which i agree full heatedly with you on

Strategy requires brain activity. Its not strategy. Rotating top after pushing bot is strategy because someone had to find out that its optimal path. This wasnt even happening before LCS 3 years ago I guess? Now its norm because you wouldnt believe, in order to get better at the game, you can watch the game online. Someone had to come up with idea of making enemy top miserable after rushing your own turret. Season 4, noone rushed tower because everyone wanted to safe farm. Then koreans came up with strat that had 70% success rate. Bam internet came and now its norm. Noone came up with idea that banner of command was a good item. In fact this item is was so dog shit, noone built it few seasons back. Then rito had to come and fuck things up. You read what it does, you buff minion, end of thought process. Yeah buffing enemy minion before baron, requires whole list of thing to consider. Where is enemy laner, when will the minion come to the enemy tower, who is their pushing champion, when are we going to do baron. But if you play tryndamere you do same thing, however you go to that tower yourself, not your buffed up minion for 2200 gold, and you have to push it yourself, watch your team so you can tp if they fuck it up, watch the map so you know when you are going to get fucked. Banner of command does neither of these things.

3TWarrior2 votes

2200 gold for that? you're crazy. NO ONE would buy that nonsense because they'd get a minion that dies to anyone that focuses it in a few seconds

if it was like the old potions for $400-450, then maybe, but still rather ridiculous

French Courtesan1 votes

2200 for tryndamere sounds good to me

woodvsmurph1 votes

So when you banner a lane and then leave... you miss xp for all the minions that die to your banner wave.

Also... you don't per-say HAVE to sacrifice in order for something to be strategy. Now if you want to argue that banner is/was too good and needed to be removed... that's different. That's something people can debate just like yasuo's scaling being too good or not or if orn should have cc immunity back now that he's not unkillable and dealing more damage than rumble q in the danger zone while building full tank.

Most strategies are abuse. Abuse my teammate's pushing power in lane to invade enemy jg. Abuse malphite's knockup to give yasuo an easy ult. Abuse my pushing power as cait to get first tower gold and hopefully avoid power deficit midgame compared to some other adc's. Abuse my early game power and jg ganks to get hella fed on renekton and end game by 20 to avoid my weaker mid and trash late game.

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

Oh no I miss some exp.....too bad I get AT LEAST half of a towers health AND MOST of the gold in all the waves and if the DO send someone to stop it I get baron for free.

FOR JUSTICE2 votes

technically its the same as rift herald. you summon her and she afk pushes a lane. only difference is she does it faster.

Small Tiddies1 votes

Exactly. Banner isn't strategy it's buying a blueberry to push a lane while you teamfight and earn back the little gold it took to buy it in the first place.

3TWarrior2 votes

i'm pretty sure they just made a coding error somewhere by the recent videos. they changed it to 50% reduction of everything but true damage when it used to be 100% magic damage

i'm not sure what they did with the enhanced minion stats as well (oh, there's what broke it, 50% reduced physical makes towers actually hit like pea shooters)

I mean, really?

if they addressed that instead of removing it, the game would be fine

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

Dude, screw the current banner. That is not strategy, that's just straight up cheesy bullshit.

Śhunpo1 votes

{quoted}

Riot love damage but hates strategy

But weren't they the ones who overbuffed Ardent Censer?

ReshiKillim10 votes

You can ban Rengo though. Can't ban items.

BeatzBoyFTW11 votes

You assume every region has Normal Draft because...?

Spank the Fox3 votes

Because OCE has Normal Draft and we’re the region who has the least amount of features (eg we never got Dominion until just before it was removed, we only get ranked TT 2-3 days a week)

But more importantly you were complaining about something as an NA player, that does have normal draft.

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

Good to note about NA having the "least amount of features", because what Boards is missing is allowing Garena players to log in, which is why I'm posting on this outdated account.

And secondly, counterpicking is never considered counterplay, which also applies to "just ban him" arguments.

PanAvokado1 votes

Lul Counterpicking... Threre´s actually bunch of champions as kennen top that have no couters and only way to conter them is picking most op champ thats in game in current meta and even if you do that you are still forced to play second wind doran shield set and lose 20cs in lane "counterpicking kennen" seems funny...

SwiftKitten881 votes

{quoted}

You assume every region has Normal Draft because...?

because we keep forgetting how stupid riot was to remove it

NA Darklarik5 votes

Your comparing 2 expensive items, and a rune which is totally tailored to the lategame and farming it...

to a cheap, instantaneous item that gave an incredibly powerful spam-able effect?

SMG

NorthernRedStar2 votes

It's not just Rengar though. It's almost every assassin / fighter-assassin in the game right now.

Minimal amounts of counterplay. Overbearing damage and item/rune synergy.

AirKingNeo2 votes

"Singed breaks the game by abusing Banner, Rylai's, and Reverie by having super cheap items and zero interaction."

Riot: I sleep.

"Bruisers are viable with Trinity-Sterak's"

Riot: WOAH BRUISERS ARE VIABLE, WHAT THE FUCK

MYXYN2 votes

i hate how there is all these items and runes empowering your aa, the thing that takes the least skill to hit. There is almost no counterplay to these kind of things

ddoA2 votes

Seems like someone gets his ass smacked by a fed Rengar

Step Sis Lux1 votes

Wait for new item on him, he gonna oneshot u and be unkillable

KoKoboto1 votes

If the game isn't a 5v5 aram mid than Riot is gonna be changing stuff until it is

KlydeFrog1 votes

How about this my taric build. I only build 1 ap item that being archangel staff and full build i have 450 ap lol. And i can solo turrets with out cs being there how many champs in the game can do that

Krully1 votes

waht are u talkin about? thats like the pppsite of balance

Kurt Hyzan1 votes

Hey I was thinking about it... Does item 3095 on Rengaritem 3147 basically gives him what his ult would have gives him with like close to no cd ?

Meep Man1 votes

Yeah, I can understand WHY they want to remove Banner... but at the same time, they've kept items in the game that have been equally problematic. Imagine if Riot buffed X item for one patch, nerfed it, then removed it. Yeah, that sounds great.

Jarring1 votes

i heard baronbuff with 5 banners has no counterplay lul it's probably just annoying and causes game to last longer than it should, and i don't think riot likes long games. ofc assassins are always going to be doing assassin stuff. it'd only matter if they were still played in competitions :(

Zullar1 votes

Every champion be able to do 3000 damage in <0.5s. Riot balance...

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

"You" asked for a revert, Rengar's back [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

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