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Zed is "too consistent"

WitchQueen Annie··3 votes·715 views

Riot said this about Zed.

"Zed is a pretty badass champion already, but that doesn’t mean he has no room for improvement. In Zed’s case, we’re concerned that he’s a bit too consistent. We want him to feel like he has good matchups and bad matchups, so we’re tweaking his laning phase, and giving him added benefits for killing the right target with Death Mark."

Too consistent?

You mean he's way too easy to counterplay out of lane to the point where against any decent team all you can do is Split Push in the late game?

You can't assassinate anything if people just stick together, the Mage gets a Zhonya, and the ADC gets Bloodthirster and kites while the Support holds the CC for when you Death Mark.

Without Death Mark he only has So So damage and his burst is just way too situational. Death Mark is also the most telegraphed thing on earth... as soon as you Death Mark anyone who's smart will simply walk towards a friendly and let him hard CC you when you re-appear.

He's one of the only assassins that can be hard-countered by a FREAKING SUPPORT (try assassinating anyone in a team fight with a Lulu, a Ziliean, or a Taric).

I think this Zed nerf will make an already unplayable champion even more unplayable.

Thoughts?

17 Comments

Big Lincoln6 votes

why are you drawing these conclusions from a vague paragraph that hardly tells us anything

WitchQueen Annie1 votes

Well the short gist of it is... Zed without his Ult isn't very "consistent" at all and can only situationally burst someone down.

His Ult is nearly un-usable in a team fight against anyone who knows what they are doing. Because the Support can just hold hard CC against you and prevent you from ever using Death Mark (and that's on top of the Zhonyas that are being built). As a result, a huge part of his kit's offensive power is gone in 5 vs 5s.

Raoul2 votes

Poor Zed Main fears for his freeelo Champ

Cloud2731 votes

{quoted}

Riot said this about Zed.

"Zed is a pretty badass champion already, but that doesn’t mean he has no room for improvement. In Zed’s case, we’re concerned that he’s a bit too consistent. We want him to feel like he has good matchups and bad matchups, so we’re tweaking his laning phase, and giving him added benefits for killing the right target with Death Mark."

Too consistent?

You mean he's way too easy to counterplay out of lane to the point where against any decent team all you can do is Split Push in the late game?

You can't assassinate anything if people just stick together, the Mage gets a Zhonya, and the ADC gets Bloodthirster and kites while the Support holds the CC for when you Death Mark.

Without Death Mark he only has So So damage and his burst is just way too situational. Death Mark is also the most telegraphed thing on earth... as soon as you Death Mark anyone who's smart will simply walk towards a friendly and let him hard CC you when you re-appear.

He's one of the only assassins that can be hard-countered by a FREAKING SUPPORT (try assassinating anyone in a team fight with a Lulu, a Ziliean, or a Taric).

I think this Zed nerf will make an already unplayable champion even more unplayable.

Thoughts?

Zed is supposed to be a single target burst champ. His aoe is bad, therefore his waveclear is bad. Champions are supposed to have weaknesses, and this is Zed's.

WitchQueen Annie1 votes

The problem is that compared to Akali or Talon (who CAN burst down a single target in a crowd in the blink of an eye) Zed isn't fast enough to do it.

He's SUPPOSED to excel at bursting down 1 target really fast but because of the way his kit works (the delay and telegraphed nature of his R, the unreliability of his kit compared to the above two champions), he actually sucks pretty bad at doing it in anything other than a 1 vs 1 scenario or a side-skirmish. In a 5 vs 5, he can't do it against any competent team with some hard CC.

At least someone like Akali and Talon or even a Shaco can still kill themselves along with the target they are bursting down. Whereas Zed you are just holding your dick in your hand in team fights half the game.

Requiemsfire1 votes

Cant you overcome this through smart play with your team doe?

LoLKiru1 votes

If Zed gets dumpstered by the changes, I'm fine with his other aspects being made stronger, but he shouldn't be so hard to punish and have waveclear nearly on par with a mages.

Hell, if he becomes less safe and has a harder time clearing waves, I'd be fine with his other aspects being made stronger than they are now to compensate him.

Catastrop1 votes

{quoted}

He's one of the only assassins that can be hard-countered by a FREAKING SUPPORT (try assassinating anyone in a team fight with a Lulu, a Ziliean, or a Taric).

Um, no he isn't, every assassin can be hard countered by supports. EDIT: Fizz could be an exception to this actually.

Ralanr1 votes

Who counters Fizz anyway?

Catastrop1 votes

No one, literally all his matchups are either stomps or skill matchups.

WitchQueen Annie1 votes

As of now there's very little reason to pick him unless you want a split push style team comp.

His team fight is completely unplayable against an enemy team that knows what they are doing. Your R is telegraphed as hell (people simply hold and chain their CC at you when you re-appear). You also can't poke very well because 1. it doesn't do much and 2. if you do it, you might miss a window of opportunity to burst.

Split pushing itself is conditional on being the most fed person on the team which doesn't always happen, its largely a flip of the coin which top laner is going to feed off the other.

If there's a 5 on 5, you can't even take Zed and go "I am going to die but so is the ADC at least." You can't even guarantee this because if the ADC's smart they are going to stick by the Support and kite with life steal. And that's when you are way ahead too. That's a pretty bad place to be for an assassin.

At least Leblanc, Talon, and Akali when fed can go... "Ok its a 5 vs 5 I am going to die, but before I die I will nuke someone 100-0"

Zed can't do that against any competent team because of how delayed and telegraphed his R is. People simply chain CC at it.

"Oh but lets wait until the CC is gone."

The problem with that is...

  1. Why would they use their CC on anything else? YOU ARE THE MID CHAMP. You are half the damage on the team. Why WOULD they have any incentive to use the CC on anything else?

  2. What if its never gone. Oh... your team is dead and I didn't go in (but had I gone in... oh the Sona would have thrown her stun the minute I ult)

Leblancs Boob1 votes

He's one of the only assassins that can be hard-countered by a FREAKING SUPPORT (try assassinating anyone in a team fight with a Lulu, a Ziliean, or a Taric).

Because Katarina Akali Evelynn Fizz Leblanc Shaco Diana Talon Rengar are immune to cc.. Sorry I forgot. If anything Zed is less easily countered by supports because of his ability to easily get out of a fight without repercussions.

WitchQueen Annie1 votes

What easy ability to get out of a fight without repercussions?

If you Ult in, there's a 0.5 seconds delay on top of the animation for the target and the people around him to react (and chain CC at you).

Not to mention how your W shadow is often gone already because you needed it to get in range to Ult.

Leblancs Boob1 votes

Unless you're ult'ing into a fight under the worst possible scenario the enemy team will almost never be able to chain cc and 100-0 you within 0.5s. With exception of Fizz, Leblanc, and Zed all other assassins need to commit to kills during a fight and have no way of getting out once they jump in. That means if they pick the wrong opportunity they're dead and their team loses the fight. Zed is arguably the safest assassin in the game and honestly one of the safest picks in the game.

WitchQueen Annie1 votes

How's he safe though? He falls off as soon as you get into Team Fight phase unless you are ridiculously fed (and even then, you can get shut down). He literally gets weaker the longer the game goes on (except for split push but split pushing is ridiculously unreliable in Solo Q).

I'm not talking about a comp picked JUST to counter Zed, just your average comp. Say they have a Sona, a mid mage, and an ADC. How are you going to assassinate anyone in the team fight? The Sona will stick to the ADC and stun you as soon as you Ult... the ADC just gets some life steal and then kites... and the Mage is going to get Zhonya.

What the hell do you in a team fight?

You can't do anything.

Leblancs Boob1 votes

What does any assassin do in this case? You maneuver around the map and get angles. Assassins should never tackle on a teamfight head-on. Get a flank and wait for the enemy carries to be focused on the rest of your team and enemy tanks/supports to throw their cc on your frontliners. Then just pick off squishy and low-health targets.

Zed is safer than other assassins because unlike the others, his laning phase is ridiculously strong. He can gain a huge advantage even before 6 and then roam once he gets his ult or continue to pressure his lane opponent.

R181 votes

Not consistent in damage, but in his presence in a game.

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