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Isn't there some issues with Juggernaut & Marksmans scaling?

Namazu Ebisu··2 votes·943 views

So, i was bored and looked into some random stats i usually don't look into and I hope i'm not the only one who has an issue with this, but when we take a loot at the wikia & ingame, here are some stats :

This has been done without runes or masteries ofc.

The issue here before you say "but that's because marksman build AD goofy", ok but how is that normal?

Juggernauts have MORE armor, mr & AD scaling so they're rewarded with bonus damage while building DEFENSE? Plus the fact that the more tanky you are, the longer probably you can DPS squishy targets.

Marksmans have no such luxury, they don't get "bonus" mr or armor on the fact that they usually build AD. And also the point of "ranged" yea we see how far this goes nowadays...even if Garen is melee, he'd probably 2 shot this poor MF at level 18 with full tank build.

I don't understand at all why juggernauts like Garen or Darius have 50-100 AD more than any Marksman in the game, for free, and build tanky non the less and still rape you anytime. Why can't Marksmans get some compensation armor & mr for the same fact that they have to build damage?

15 Comments

PermabannedGaren3 votes

I like how this dude compared Garen to the ADC with literally the worst base and scaling AD in the entire game and thought people weren't smart enough to realize what he was doing.

Also, ADCs are ranged. Ranged champions get worse base stats, because they have the safety of ranged.

Also, you're so lacking in intelligence you seem to believe a champion who is meant to be a huge threat if he can get onto someone shouldn't be able to duel an ADC if he gets on top of them.

Your game is simultaneously pathetic and disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Namazu Ebisu1 votes

Wow you're trying to shame me as i make a normal point by completely insulting and being toxic, nice one.

Yea we've seen so far how "ranged" means safety in today's meta. That's why i see a marksman on three games out of five now.

Btw you're reported for behavior ofc.

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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Wow you're trying to shame me as i make a normal point by completely insulting and being toxic, nice one.

Yea we've seen so far how "ranged" means safety in today's meta.

Hopefully it worked, you should be ashamed of yourself, as I said.

And how many of the hot meta ADC destroyers are the juggernauts you're railing against? It's ironic you would use Garen as an example, considering Garen is consistently one of the worst champions in the game.

Namazu Ebisu1 votes

Considering you seem to be posting with a brand new account and that you probably got banned for that behavior of yours, i see no point in discussing with a toxic player who thinks flaming is an argument.

PermabannedGaren2 votes

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Considering you seem to be posting with a brand new account and that you probably got banned for that behavior of yours, i see no point in discussing with a toxic player who thinks flaming is an argument.

The irony here is that you responded to my actual points (that none of the hot meta ADC destroyers are juggernauts and that Garen, the champion you mentioned, is bad) by cowardly dismissing them because I'm posting from a level 7 account, and assuming that I was banned.

This account isn't new, I just use it on the boards because my main is banned specifically from the boards, not from the game itself. None of this information is relevant to how our arguments interact, and my argument interacts with yours by effortlessly bodying it and making it cry like the weakling it is.

Big Lincoln2 votes

because they're melee and lack gap closers to actually reach most competent Marksman. they aren't expected to build a lot of damage because they're melee with no gap closers, so they have high base stats to compensate.

also since you cherry picked MF specifically (because you know your argument is horse shit), her AD was gutted in the marksman update because of her passive giving her bonus damage for doing something as simple as switching targets, because if she had normal AD scaling, her passive would be too strong.

Namazu Ebisu1 votes

As i said, being melee with "no gap closer" (Garen has one, even if not the best) has proved to be completely unrelevant to this pre-season...thus the "ADC in 2017" problem. Maybe it should be time to check the roots? Because you know that my argument happens in 80% of games where any juggernaut can get to a marksman and duel him.

Big Lincoln4 votes

As i said, being melee with "no gap closer" (Garen has one, even if not the best) has proved to be completely unrelevant to this pre-season

no it hasn't. the only melee w/o a gap closer that's even relevant, let alone actually good, is Darius. MF is statistically doing better than all of them -- except for Darius. juggernauts are garbage in season 7.

Because you know that my argument happens in 80% of games where any juggernaut can get to a marksman and duel him.

that's the point. you either fucked up at kiting or you got outplayed. Juggernauts are supposed to be duelists; they aren't nearly as good in teamfights as you are.

Namazu Ebisu1 votes

Then why exactly are marksmans out of meta and everything bragging about their weekness if not their weak defensive stats?

Big Lincoln3 votes

they aren't 'out of meta.' Caitlyn, Jhin, Ezreal, Lucian and Draven wouldn't be picked so often if they were out of meta. MF gets picked a lot, too, actually.

They're 'weak' because a handful of mages and mobile bruisers are too strong, along with the changes to the game putting an emphasis on early leads and snowballing.

Namazu Ebisu1 votes

I see, well, hopes are that Riot succeeds in giving the players their needs then.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

juggernauts are expected to build tanky and marksmen are expected to build sqishy.

giving juggernauts high base stats allows them to build more into defense and still deal reliable damage.

Namazu Ebisu1 votes

But the problem today is that ADC are useless (the common topic), mostly because they are squishy as you say.

While juggernauts build tanky, they also have more than reliable damage and that's been here for a while now (League of Tanks?)

Again my argument is simple, why do juggernauts have this "reliable damage" boost but marksmans have nothing to defend themselves since their range is not sufficient anymore? (Most champs have leaps, dashes and everything to ruin them and that's a fact : Camille, WW, Rengar, Kha, Vi, Xin, Lee and so on and on...all dashes).

Mecha MaIphite1 votes

They also have a team to hide behind, and a support (and possibly more tanks) to peel for them. If Garen somehow gets through your whole front line and two-shots your carry, that's your own problem.

Sasogwa1 votes

There's a thing called range, that is.. the most broken thing in the game.

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