Why aren't Zyra's auto whip strikes ?

Namazu Ebisu·Jan 9, 2016·218 votes·6,327 views

She has thorn whips in both her hands and shows them when taunting...would fit her way more to whip people than throwing whoknowswhat imo.

107 Comments

Vibrating HotdogJan 9, 201646 votes

Because Rito wants Yasuo 's Windwall to block many things

NegusInParisJan 9, 201618 votes

Don't worry. I'm sure that Riot will compensate it with a buff.

sp441Jan 10, 201635 votes

Patch 6.3

Yasuo

BUFF >> Windwall now blocks Melee Attacks BUFF >> Windwall's hitbox increased by 50%

NERF >> -0.01 Bonus AD per Level

SulghunterJan 9, 201633 votes

Zyra, use vine whip!

Dominick DestineJan 9, 201612 votes

Because then she would heal Evelynn with each auto

ParoeJan 9, 201615 votes

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Because then she would heal with each auto

Sadists are rarely masochists.

The SoulforgedJan 9, 201611 votes

MUNDO!

CaffeintJan 10, 20162 votes

He meant that Evelynn is BDSM.

ParoeJan 10, 20163 votes

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He meant that Evelynn is BDSM.

You arent "BDSM" because that stands for Bondage, Domination, Slave and Master. Its the entire group of fetishes; Evelynn is a sadist. Not a masochist, not a bondage nut.

DJ Hatsune MikuJan 10, 20162 votes

S&M or sadomasochism is considered part of BDSM, especially since D/S or Domination/Submission is effectively the base for slave/master and its variations.

Taric the GayJan 9, 201612 votes

Riot has yet to create a champion that uses a whip as a weapon, that's why. They don't want to sell away such a creative corner stone on just a cheap aesthetic. They probably will make a whip based champion at some point and make a whole champion kit based around it.

Timely VoidlingJan 9, 20163 votes

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Arsenic SulfurJan 9, 201614 votes

His weapon isn't a whip. It's a kusarigama. However, he does use it like a whip at long ranges, so I'll give you that.

kaltenashesJan 9, 20162 votes

yeah like trevor belmont (is it right?) from castlevania, lotta great games

Sona PingJan 10, 20162 votes

Simon Belmont. That's the name you want.

Starfish HJan 11, 20161 votes

NEVER FEAR SIMON BELMONT IS HERE! WITH THE POWER OF CHRIST INFUSED iN MY SPEAR!

TransgressorJan 9, 20164 votes

A champion based entirely around whips sounds like a really cool idea mate.

PowderToastJan 10, 20161 votes

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A champion based entirely around whips sounds like a really cool idea mate.

Another pirate to mess wi5th GP , MF, and the rest ... honestly, it'd be clever for a toss on into the Harrowing whnever they bring that back. RIP Harrowing 2015 for you never came.

Oh! Or maybe Ezreals Dad! idk Ez history well but an indiana ezplorer would be pretty dank as ezreals poppa.

RendarkanJan 10, 20163 votes

Ekko Lucian I think Riot wants to avoid certain legal issues...

CasterGilgameshJan 9, 201618 votes

that should be Evelynn who uses whips it would be very ~~kinky~~ interesting!

Jeddy017Jan 10, 20161 votes

Why can't more than one champ use whip-like weapons?I mean Zyra would just be using vine-whip for her auto attacks.A champ who's entire kit is centered around using whips would be completely different.I mean look at Garen & Yasuo.Both of them uses swords,but they're both completely different.Same could said for Ashe & Varus,Annie & Brand,Poppy & Jayce or MF & Lucian.

What I'm trying to say is:The weapon(s) isn't the sole defining aspect of a champ.Just because one champion has a whip doesn't mean that creative corner stone can't be used again.

Taric the GayJan 11, 20162 votes

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Why can't more than one champ use whip-like weapons?I mean Zyra would just be using vine-whip for her auto attacks.A champ who's entire kit is centered around using whips would be completely different.I mean look at Garen & Yasuo.Both of them uses swords,but they're both completely different.Same could said for Ashe & Varus,Annie & Brand,Poppy & Jayce or MF & Lucian.

What I'm trying to say is:The weapon(s) isn't the sole defining aspect of a champ.Just because one champion has a whip doesn't mean that creative corner stone can't be used again.

Garen has a long sword. Yasuo has a Katana. Some subtle differences between the two is that the long sword is broader, heavier and can be wielded in either a single or double hand grip. The Katana is thinner, sharper and is built to be used as a two handed weapon even though it is lighter. The long sword uses sheer force in how it deals damage whereas the Katana is more "technique" based. They are different in these respects. It would have been better of you to compare Yasuo with Master Yi (uses a katana) and Garen with Kayle, Leona or RIven (Riven technically uses a broadsword).

Swords have always been the common/generic weapon of choice. You can hack, slash, stab, impale and every conceivable motion with it. Besides the bow, cross bow and gun it should be the most well represented weapon in the game. If league lasts another 5 years I can guarantee you that they will double up on the amount of swords, Hammers, bows, guns, axes and staffs in the game. It is the "unique" and "rare" weapons that will not be duplicated such as Twisted Fate's cards, Ahri's orb, Kog'maw's spittle and Fizz's trident that won't see multiple incarnations of themselves.

I would really like to see another rapier user besides Fiora, or a Halberd user besides Hecarim or polearm user besides Jarvan IV and Xin Zhao. But only time will tell :)

JMoormannJan 10, 20161 votes

Relevant user name Taric

AspynnJan 9, 20167 votes

I feel like it would mess up her AA animation, which I FUCKING LOVE and it's like the best and smoothest aa animation in the game.

Dominick DestineJan 9, 20168 votes

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I feel like it would mess up her AA animation, which I FUCKING LOVE and it's like the best and smoothest aa animation in the game.

Varus

But I agree with Zyra having the second smoothest and comfortable AA in the game.

Mael broJan 10, 20162 votes

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But I agree with Zyra having the second smoothest and comfortable AA in the game.

Excuse me? DrMundo Darius Garen Lucian Aatrox Syndra Talon Yorick Riven Nautilus Jinx Diana Teemo Nocturne Morgana Malzahar

Dominick DestineJan 10, 20164 votes

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Excuse me?

Trolling perhaps? none of those contradict what I said.

Some of those have absolutely abysmal AA Malzahar

HoseeJan 10, 20161 votes

Probably joking lol. Teemo, Malz, and Lucian have terrible feelings when they AA

woobeeJan 10, 20161 votes

I can't count how many times I've seen a bad Teemo cancel his auto to finish someone of.

It's like, they Q then TH! TH! TH! nothing. gg

CaffeintJan 10, 20163 votes

I'm pretty sure the smoothest and best aa animation is Anivia . Csing is so easy with her.

Baby sitting ADCJan 11, 20161 votes

Orianna RIP best Mage AA bullying passive.

WeatheredJan 10, 20167 votes

http://imgur.com/qpNbd3r

The Bearded BardJan 9, 20165 votes

Because then AD Zyra would counter Yasuo

WarlordTimJan 9, 20164 votes

Rule 34 would have too much of a hay day with that...

Autrah FangJan 9, 20162 votes

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Rule 34 would have too much of a hay day with that...

you mean they don't have a "hay day" with Zyra's whip/rope-like thorns already?

LaoBushidoJan 9, 20163 votes

if they did that that would make her melee, and that would hurt her a lot as a support. how ever she is considered in the upcoming mage rework so it is possible this might be adjusted

TehNACHOJan 9, 201673 votes

Or you know, deal with it like Thresh and Vel'Koz are coded. Ranged non-projectile attacks.

QuephaJan 9, 20162 votes

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Or you know, deal with it like Thresh and Vel'Koz are coded. Ranged non-projectile attacks.

Thresh already looks pretty wonky when he turns during his attack animation and he has like half the range Zyra

plus it's still a pretty big change to have her AAs have no travel time.

ParoeJan 9, 201635 votes

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Thresh already looks pretty wonky when he turns during his attack animation and he has like half the range Zyra

plus it's still a pretty big change to have her AAs have no travel time.

you could easily - very easily - give her a slow AA animation to make up for it. Like karthus or anivias. Zyra throwing lawn darts doesnt make sense thematically either. It would make more sense if she used whips - not even her godmother poison ivy uses lawndarts.

QuephaJan 9, 20163 votes

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you could easily - very easily - give her a slow AA animation to make up for it. Like karthus or anivias. Zyra throwing lawn darts doesnt make sense thematically either. It would make more sense if she used whips - not even her godmother poison ivy uses lawndarts.

Have you ever heard of thorns?

OhthePiplupJan 9, 201624 votes

Not thorns that are huge and thrown from your hand

taleofsonataJan 10, 20163 votes

PLease no Slow animation please no, its super hard to CS already with karthus auto attack. Zyra has one of the best AA animation she doesn't need a change to it.

Baby sitting ADCJan 11, 20161 votes

Orianna

GreenBirdJan 10, 20162 votes

If you just made the animation slower you wouldn't be able to cancel the animation after the projectile is created like you can now. it would have to just be the whip travelling through the air slowly.

ArbiterOfTruthJan 10, 20167 votes

Aren't Azir's autos the same?

ModWulf HelhammerJan 9, 201610 votes

Thresh Vel'Koz

SvolskiJan 12, 20161 votes

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Thresh Vel'Koz

Build attack speed on Thresh = Rock-God Thresh

StellarPrimeJan 9, 20163 votes

I've actually thought that this should be the way she attacks in game. It makes more sense from a lore standpoint as well, instead of throwing thorns like in game, she would use the vines on her arms to mutilate & attack enemies.

Shrek LuigiJan 10, 20163 votes

Lowering her AA range and giving them scaling based on AP/damage dealt by plants, or opening up a bit of power somewhere else, would make Zyra so much more fun to play.

SociopathFriendJan 11, 20162 votes

I'd imagine because someday in the future they'll actually make a full champ based around whips- meanwhile Zyra throwing seeds or thorns or whatever fits with what she does as a Mage. Plus she's an older champ so 50/50 odds there'd be a massive bug or weird coding issue that prevents them from trying.