Stuck in Gold 2 for 3 years now, literally losing because of teams despite doing well - Read First

captcha or lose·Jun 10, 2019·2 votes·1,983 views

captcha or lose - Summoner Stats - League of Legends

When you play a game for a long time, like 5 years, you shouldn't be stuck at the same level for 3 of them - a well known fact is that with practice at something you WILL get better with practice so long as you are mildly intelligent. I started unranked, silver, gold, gold and now gold again.

I have lost my promos to plat because of unfortunate games, but I find that when I get to around the low plat mmr I start getting horrendous teams. This will change, but look at my most recent games - I am performing fine to well in every game I have lost, what is the glaring obvious weak link? The feeders on my team, or the terrible builds such as a nasus who rushes tri force against a darius and doesn't build armor first, or a zed top or having no tanks and no cc. I try picking according to a comp, but I can only get so far given the others are making rational picks too - which they often aren't. I am actually so sick of losing games because of teams who throw and feed, don't listen to instruction and let their egos get ahead of themselves.

In my last 10 games, I have lost 6 - almost all of which were out of control due to my team for the most part. I'm not denying I lose a lot of games because of poor performance, but specifically when I start to climb to plat, past gold 2, I start to get screwed with losing streaks and sudden mmr drops. I ranked from silver 1 to gold 2 in just a week, getting 26lp per win and -10 per loss, now that has changed to +20 and -16 respectively. I don't know how or why I am getting paired with people who seem ill-equipped to play at this skill level while the enemy team always seems to be in-sync and cohesive.

I communicate with team, trying to talk about picks, all I get is "you talk too much" "stfuidc" This community really takes the joy out of playing a game where I enjoy progressing and playing competitively, but I can't progress and just become frustrated when I lose because of reasons beyond my control. I can deal with a loss that was my fault, but it's difficult to deal with being held back when you're relying on others.

This is too recurrent for me to think Riot is not intentionally sabotaging my win rate and my games with horrible matchmaking. I had above a 55% win rate, I am now on a 6 game lose spree after having gone on 4 game lose sprees for the past 2 days. Damn this game, it's too frustrating to enjoy, I had previously quit because of this very reason, now I remember exactly why - you start losing a shit ton for completely idiotic reasons that just leave you frustrated and tilted that have nothing to do with my own performance.

Lost 14 of 20 games just now, getting demoted to G3 despite climbing from S1 to G2 in just 3 days - This game is rigged and it actively works against you climbing, I had very good MMR, gaining 26+ LP per win now it's down to 19/20 per win (if I'm even so lucky)- screw this game and this company, they make me sick.

16 Comments

BrightWîngsJun 10, 20192 votes

It's not your teammates at least not entirely you need to look at the games you've won and then take a look at the games you've lost.

You get a handful of kills but also get a handful of deaths when you lose BUT when you win you TRUELY do pop off and die much much less.

If you are hardstuck it does not mean your team is bringing you down it means you're not letting YOURSELF improve because you're too busy blaming your team for losses.

Now don't get the idea that botlane hard feeding can't be the reason you lost and I'm not saying it's all your fault. What I am saying is that the way you climb is if you improve if you don't improve as a player you don't climb.

This dumb game placed me in silver 4 this season close to bottom of the barrel and I trucked through that division as well as gold I'm currently Platinum 1. And believe me I've had lanes hard feed and lose because of it I also had toxic players be the result of a loss. But what I NEVER would pay any attention to how other players are playing and ONLY critised myself when i make a bad play.

Side note: Don't try to justify bad plays or when you fuck up because if you do this you will have the mindset that you always make the right decistions and will never improve.

Attitude goes a REALLY long way if your attitude sucks then you're games are gonna suck simple as that.

captcha or loseJun 10, 20191 votes

I agree that my scores are not as good in the games I have lost as in the games I have won, but it's difficult to perform as well when the enemy team has an extremely fed player from someone on my team playing poorly.

For example, the 7/14/5 Zed and 10/13/12 veigar SUPPORT in my game as Jinx adc where I was 8/6/8. We also had a Sylas top, I did not have any peel while Veigar was busy taking both kills and farm, therefore was an extremely easy one shot kill for w wukong w>e>r>q, despite building Guardians Angel and Mercurial Scimitar.

Another example- The game prior as Jinx ADC again, the 6/12/9 Vi Jungler vs my 7/6/10 - score was better at start, like the other games but the end result is only a result of subsequently losing the advantage and dying because of losing fights. I often start as 3/0 and even 5/1 and still lose around the mid game because team fail to secure objectives, overstay, overextend and throw.

I can keep bringing examples, and advice you see where there is aplayer with an extremely bad KDA. that pretty much is the problem.

BrightWîngsJun 10, 20191 votes

In that first situation in specific is poor team composition

Second situation is sort of similar but Vi dying that much is also an issue but you had a Malphite Ahri Jinx Pyke

They had

Sion red Kayn Viktor Lucian Soraka

Their front line is better than yours Their damage is better than yours Their peel is better than yours Their CC is better than yours because they can use theirs more often and more reliably

Sion is one of the tankiest champions in the game very hard to kill with good CC Red Kayn can get pretty tanky with HP and healing from kit and dish out a lot of damage with good CC Viktor does INSANE amount of damage and self peel Lucian same thing a lot of damage and self peel Soraka sitting in the back healing their already safe and strong frontline

is a diver champ and against that team comp is just terrible Ahri has really bad consistent damage so it's hard for her to get to the people she can actually kill Malphite is useless if he has no ulti and his lack of MR means he probably got blasted by Viktor Pyke is a strong pick because of his ulti but if they take too long to get low and they have a Soraka healing them he can't get resets Then there's you Jinx immobile adc with not really good self peel or peel from teamamtes.

If I'm being honest even if Vi didn't die that much you probably still would have lost because their team comp is objectively better than yours in almost every way.

captcha or loseJun 10, 20191 votes

Exactly, and that is part of the problem, not having a good team comp. That is part of the problem I described. Although, Vi feeding contributed to the enemy team getting a significant lead on us, especially with objectives as she had little lane presence being dead most the time, resulting in losing turrets and subsequently gold and cs.

You list these characters on paper, but how they actually perform is another story entirely, you list Pyke as- 'is a strong pick because of his ulti but if they take too long to get low and they have a [Soraka] healing them he can't get resets' -but what if the Pyke misses his pull, his dash+stun and also his ult? What if the Vi ultimates the Kayn instead of going for Soraka? And I have no peel from a Viktor who's not being focussed by any of the team.

I do have good players a lot in these games, but it' is those 1 or 2 players that are really throwing it. if 1 player can be enough to win, the same is opposite for losing.

It is entirely possible, as you said, to lose the game because of teammates, and that is exactly the case I am dealing with most of the time, and for far more of the burden of the game than I am. As I said, there are times I have been either the sole cause or where I maybe could have picked better - but recently in the past 25 games where I have been consecutively going on 4 game lose sprees with tiny bursts of 1-2 game wins, then I hardly believe it is my fault when it is inconsistent with my overall averages and purely down to bad luck with matchmaking. It is literally just bad luck on the probability of getting consecutively unwinnable games, but that is just the case here.

I'm also inclined to believe Riot is rigging stats to suit a certain quota because this is a trend I have noticed for at least 2 years. When it's a consistent pattern, it has to be a result of calculation. I went from a 60% win rate to 52%, as many others also find, when you start winning a lot - they don't like that.

Just played a game as Fizz, starting as 5/1/3.. had a 4/9/5 Dr. Mundo top, so same story again. 5 game lose spree, for an account that was just at a <55% win ratio - nothing suspicious there.

In the past 20 games, I only have 1 game with a negative KDA, and about 2-3 others where I could have performed better. Of these 20 games, I lost 14 fucking games. That is highly improbable with an account that has had over a 55% win ratio and managed to climb from S1 to G2 in just 3 days. I just got demoted to G3 because this game is literally out to get me. I feel fucking attacked and so fucking tilted.

BrightWîngsJun 10, 20191 votes

Yeah thats is the issue im seeing but you are also a part of said issue you picked Jinx, a MUCH better choice would have been Kaisa or Vayne

If Pyke is hooking anybody it's sion or kayn which is pretty useless if Pyke is using E to stun someone then he is just gonna die. I'm not saying Pyke is a strong pick into that team comp I'm saying he's a strong pick in general.

If Vi ults raka she will just die as well as I've said a diver in that team comp is terrible.

Your KDA being positive or negative doesn't really matter if your team has no good synergy then you will lose.

This has nothing to do with the "game being out to get you" that's just low elo in a nutshell people don't understand teamcomps that well and haven't learned or gotten a good understand of all the champions.

I trucked through sliver and gold playing champions like Shen Poppy and Kayle

And when you play champions like these you rely very much on your team shen or poppy can't 1v9 on their own Kayle need the team not to feed so hard that she can't scale. But since I picked a champion based off good team composition I won more games.

Point being I didn't need to play a 1v9 carry to get out of both divisions I played for the team comp because it is a team game and if your team lacks synergy then you're not a good team.

captcha or loseJun 10, 20191 votes

I agree, in that particular game maybe Jinx wasn't the best choice, but I don't play Kai-Sa or Vayne, I play Lucian but he was already taken. the game actually is 'out to get me' in the sense that it tries to keep players around a certain win rate - when you have a good win streak you always start getting. It's not me specifically, but any player in that situation. It's almost like an auto-fix for fast progressors.

BrightWîngsJun 10, 20191 votes

Ok so you have a very limited champ pool I know it's seems crazy to compare to high elo players for gold or lower games. But you need to understand they can all play a number of things and know how to play them all well. And it's fine that you don't play that many champions it's better to not play so many champions so it's easier to learn the game and that's what I'm saying is you need to focus on just improving as a player and not climbing just play the game maintain a positive attitude and analyze yourself and self critizes think and learn how you could have done things better train yourself to have good habits such as frequently looking at the mini map. It's honestly too hard for me to just give you the right answer and explain everything but I promise you the game is not out to get you I PROMISE

captcha or loseJun 10, 20191 votes

And also, I believe that since I have performed better than plat players I have come across in my games, even some players who were diamond the previous season, I don't see why I shouldn't have already won my promos to plat, instead of losing them 3 times now. And it's really not possible I haven't been able to get to plat despite 1 tricking and maining Fizz, with whom I have a 60% win ratio and average of 2.7 KDA, that I cannot climb. In my case, SPECIFICALLY when I'm around 0LP or 60 LP or in promos, I begin to go on a losing streak. It has been a consistent pattern with the same kind of losing streaks and similar teams with similar results.

Malix FarwinJun 10, 20191 votes

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It's not your teammates at least not entirely you need to look at the games you've won and then take a look at the games you've lost.

You get a handful of kills but also get a handful of deaths when you lose BUT when you win you TRUELY do pop off and die much much less.

If you are hardstuck it does not mean your team is bringing you down it means you're not letting YOURSELF improve because you're too busy blaming your team for losses.

Now don't get the idea that botlane hard feeding can't be the reason you lost and I'm not saying it's all your fault. What I am saying is that the way you climb is if you improve if you don't improve as a player you don't climb.

This dumb game placed me in silver 4 this season close to bottom of the barrel and I trucked through that division as well as gold I'm currently Platinum 1. And believe me I've had lanes hard feed and lose because of it I also had toxic players be the result of a loss. But what I NEVER would pay any attention to how other players are playing and ONLY critised myself when i make a bad play.

Side note: Don't try to justify bad plays or when you fuck up because if you do this you will have the mindset that you always make the right decistions and will never improve.

Attitude goes a REALLY long way if your attitude sucks then you're games are gonna suck simple as that.

I take it you've not been in gold 2 for a while. Matchmaking gets wonky there. you get low silvers on your team for some reason into high gold/mid-low plat. Imagine the same problem high elo had before they made the changes to matchmaking for them.

BrightWîngsJun 10, 20191 votes

If match making is the reason you are stuck in an elo than you need to focus more on improving more than climbing. I get it sometimes games are just unfortunate trust me don't get the idea that I don't believe you but when it's so consistent that it's holding you from climbing there's somthing YOU need to improve because the only thing those games all have in common is that you were in them l.

KVbqbFsC8eJun 10, 20192 votes

After 3 years you have to acknowledge that Gold 2 is where you belong.

PositiveMental41Jun 10, 20191 votes

Just become a K/D/A player and you will climb because even in the games you win your scores are pretty bad. If you play for kda you force yourself to go for kills putting the enemy team behind and doing so just power farm and take obj. Stick to fizz and if your team is behind just let them die and go for kills in teamfights. Play for picks and force fights depending on how many you killed. Team comps dont matter much unless the enemy team is just stacked then just dodge as tanks take literally no skill to play and are broken anything else you can actually outplay. You can play whatever you want id say just 1 trick fizz and become a god at him.

captcha or loseJun 10, 20191 votes

I don't just care about KDA, I actively try to get objectives, but no one on my teams do. What you're saying has little to do with my post, I've just been dealt an unwinnable set of games. No ones who progresses this fast and has been at the same level for 3 years just starts losing every game because of solely their fault. It takes literally just one player and one play to lose a game.

PositiveMental41Jun 10, 20192 votes

Well you're obviously the problem. I do believe people get unlucky patches of games but you consistently go even or worse and even when u do get fed you die way to much. Thats why I suggest you play for kda but obviously get obj when enemies are dead. Like my 4 losses in row in my match history yesterday those were truly just unlucky. the others my team werent the best and one of my laners hard feeds nearly every game but I still win so idk what to tell you if you dont want to accept you have to constantly be trying to improve.

VonyaloJun 10, 20191 votes

Go play starcraft if you dont wanna lose because of teams

usul1202Jun 10, 20191 votes

The highest mastery heimerdinger in the world has over 9 million points. He's bronze 4 currently (https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=GeT%20CoN%20TRollED). Playing a lot does NOT mean you're going to improve.

What are your current improvement points? When you go into a game, what are you thinking "this is the skill/gameplay element I'm going to improve/fail less at"?