Hardly Consider this 'Toxic'

captcha or lose·Jun 10, 2019·2 votes·3,401 views

This is hardly even a serious chat, no tilt or aggression but casual talk.. hardly enough text to really ruin anybody's mood or be considered to have such a negative impact on the game worthy of a punishment.

In-Game captcha or lose: xmen? captcha or lose: shoulda left u to die captcha or lose: wont make that mistake again captcha or lose: balanced captcha or lose: top is dogshit captcha or lose: 1/9 captcha or lose: 6 game lose spree captcha or lose: because of feeding teams captcha or lose: not the 1/9 renek? captcha or lose: for inting? captcha or lose: idk when u 9 times kinda hard to fool me captcha or lose: just ff captcha or lose: end it captcha or lose: its over

This is all there is. I merely repeated what another player said with 'dogshit' as well, it was whatever just pointing out top was 1/9 and we already down an inhib at 20 minutes. 10-game chat ban for this, they've been getting a bit out of hand with these bans now.

40 Comments

GatekeeperTDSJun 10, 20194 votes

90% of your lines are aggressive and negative as hell. Try some introspection.

captcha or loseJun 10, 20192 votes

I would disagree, it's pretty casual talk, only about 10 sentences in total, mostly responding to whoever's talking, that too it's too casual and short to be considered aggressive, and although I can certainly see why some would choose to view this as aggressive, it's pretty mild, non threatening and a fairly acceptable response from someone who's getting trolled by a 1/9, it's way too mild to be considered 'negative behaviour'

GatekeeperTDSJun 10, 20194 votes

Don't turn this on me. This post isn't about me.

You can believe your chat was fine. You'd be wrong.

Telephone BoothJun 11, 20193 votes

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I would disagree, it's pretty casual talk, only about 10 sentences in total, mostly responding to whoever's talking, that too it's too casual and short to be considered aggressive, and although I can certainly see why some would choose to view this as aggressive, it's pretty mild, non threatening and a fairly acceptable response from someone who's getting trolled by a 1/9, it's way too mild to be considered 'negative behaviour'

Meh. Thats why its a bad idea to go off your own personal opinion. Gotta go by Riots rules.

captcha or loseJun 12, 20191 votes

I am going by their rules, this is not indicative of repetitive abuse nor would it constitute impacting the game in a negative manner. 1 or 2 lines here are not enough to push someone over the edge, and if it is I feel sorry for them. By all means, the other 9 people in the game certainly weren't affected, whereas the other 4 members of my team were in fact negatively affected by said 1/9 for the entirety of the game.

Telephone BoothJun 12, 20191 votes

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I am going by their rules, this is not indicative of repetitive abuse nor would it constitute impacting the game in a negative manner. 1 or 2 lines here are not enough to push someone over the edge, and if it is I feel sorry for them. By all means, the other 9 people in the game certainly weren't affected, whereas the other 4 members of my team were in fact negatively affected by said 1/9 for the entirety of the game.

Doesnt it say somewhere that insulting people is against the rules?

Kei143Jun 10, 20194 votes

The system punishes people based on consistency x severity.

If you've been punished for this game, where your severity is low, it means that your consistency has recently been high.

While the reform card only shows you 1-5 recent games as examples of unacceptable behavior, doesn't mean you were punished for 1 game alone.

captcha or loseJun 12, 20191 votes

I can agree with this. I had 2 other games that were reasonable to get a 10 game chat for. I wasn't disagreeing with the overall ban just that this was one of the chats taken. Thanks for a reasonable comment. I try to not talk too much but have recently had 5-6 game lose sprees for 3 days. Losing about 15 games in 20. Started to really get to me that I was constantly getting 1 or 2 feeders LITERALLY per game. Like 2 or 3 games could have been attributed to my fault I accept that, but it really drains you to get feeders and trolls who directly target you for their malice.

JamareeJun 10, 20193 votes

Did you really need to call him dogshit or harp on his mistakes?

DemDevsSuckJun 10, 20193 votes

do people really need to int?

And not get punished?

JamareeJun 10, 20193 votes

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do people really need to int?

And not get punished?

You wanna act like you have never had a game where you were 1/XX/0 or are you one of those people who act like they never make mistakes or play poorly and always find a way to blame others when you do poorly?

DemDevsSuckJun 11, 20192 votes

No, i'm not, and you dodging around the problem is either innocent- because you're not aware of how many people are inting / not what you're saying you think inting is / but seriously inting, or malicious- just to seem as you have a little prick moral highground. People are inting in this game, a lot. They get punished, but with very little accuracy and frequency. Whether you want to make this about me, i give no shits. It isn't. At if it'd be then let riot ban me for it, i won't comment on that.//i might come out clean tho, even if i int.

As a little last note, i really hate that this boards community is merely focused on expressing how much of a righteous, issue-less game related, morally superior guy every individual leaving either one of these comments @Jamaree or a instant downvote to anything that calls out the game/community/punishment system. Too bad... well i guess it's normal for what this statistic (average guy in the community divided by the average guy that's interested in it enough to enter the boards) gives as a result...pretty low quality people. Point is, this kind of herd mentality the boards community adopted is working only towards hiding or putting a stop to any positive progress towards solving players' issues that may've come out of this forum. It is what it is though, people don't change, riot isn't good at managing players' issues anyway.

JamareeJun 12, 20192 votes

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No, i'm not, and you dodging around the problem is either innocent- because you're not aware of how many people are inting / not what you're saying you think inting is / but seriously inting, or malicious- just to seem as you have a little prick moral highground.

I don’t think people int anywhere near as much as the people on here say no. I don’t consider going 1/10 inting though, there is a difference between inting and doing poorly and if we were to label it as such, not a single person in this game wouldn’t be banned, not even faker.

People are inting in this game, a lot. They get punished, but with very little accuracy and frequency.

What kind of system would be more accurate then to catch these people and before you say something like Overwatch in CS:GO, players weren’t even willing to read text when the Tribunal was a thing, doubt they would for either.

As a little last note, i really hate that this boards community is merely focused on expressing how much of a righteous, issue-less game related, morally superior guy every individual leaving either one of these comments @Jamaree or a instant downvote to anything that calls out the game/community/punishment system.

As opposed to just insulting people or trying to take your own high ground and act like you have never been the feeder yourself?

Point is, this kind of herd mentality the boards community adopted is working only towards hiding or putting a stop to any positive progress towards solving players' issues that may've come out of this forum.

It isn’t a herd mentality, it’s being realistic, it is understanding that there is a clear divide between inting, it is understanding that every single player in this game has had games where others would mark it as inting and if we had this do or die system that punished everyone and anyone for doing poorly, this game would actually die. That isn’t forward or positive change, that is a draconian and spartan outlook that punishes people for making mistakes which every player once again does.

DemDevsSuckJun 18, 20191 votes

so from every reply you gave there's 2 things i see you focus on and keep repeating and this is what i get out of it:

you diminish the existing problem either because you feel bad for being part of it consistently or you don't know that the problem is consistent because you're just unaware of the context.
How you name the type of people that consistently throw your games because their lack of care, skill and will to listen to others is irrelevant. Most ppl call them inters. If you only want to name people that run down lanes inters then i see why you say it doesn't happen too often (even tho it's more than often enough) What matters is that people don't want to win ranked games. They are a lot in numbers. They don't drop elo or get punished any more than someone that tryhards. This is the issue league is facing- one of many. Like it or not i couldn't care less about your approval at this point, you seem to have the need to prove something about how people should act (nicely to each other n' other generic sh*t that doesn't apply in real life and in this game is a cause of the problem i describe) -not game related or at least not even close to the main issue- so sorry, the discussion ended.

LordGeovanniJun 11, 20192 votes

Telling people about mistakes isnt Negative what is negative is crying about it instead of learing from it. You cant be sure that they will learn from their mistake without you telling them.

JamareeJun 11, 20193 votes

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Telling people about mistakes isnt Negative what is negative is crying about it instead of learing from it. You cant be sure that they will learn from their mistake without you telling them.

In what world is calling someone dogshit anything but negative in what warped reality do you live in is insulting someone anything BUT negative?

LordGeovanniJun 14, 20191 votes

in the one where we speak the truth based on your actions

JamareeJun 14, 20191 votes

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in the one where we speak the truth based on your actions

Do it without insulting them then.

LordGeovanniJun 14, 20191 votes

its only insulting if you take offense

JamareeJun 14, 20191 votes

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its only insulting if you take offense

It's offensive if you mean to make it such.

DemDevsSuckJun 11, 20192 votes

Excuse me for a 2nd reply but it's a different topic to the 1st. This one is about you personally since you wanted to make it personal in your reply. You want to portrait yourself as someone with the value of never insulting people no matter the context. There are two potential routes here : you're a innocent fool - the fact that you had to enforce your word about being one in a passive aggressive comment kinda disproves it - So the second , more probable one is that you're yet another moral-approval seeking hypocrite that lurks this forum downvoting anything slightly negative and showing how much of a better person he is in shallow comments. And please don't start the "you shouldn't insult people" argument, it's pointless. You're 2000 years late for being a martyr, and much more yet to put on a martyr act. Context is indeed everything , your first question is in no way rhetorical, even "good people" snap when they're subjected to injustice.

JamareeJun 12, 20192 votes

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Excuse me for a 2nd reply but it's a different topic to the 1st. This one is about you personally since you wanted to make it personal in your reply. You want to portrait yourself as someone with the value of never insulting people no matter the context.

I have before, I stopped, never said I haven’t but as of currently yes, I can say I don’t insult people who negative scores and I don’t call people dogshit.

There are two potential routes here : you're a innocent fool - the fact that you had to enforce your word about being one in a passive aggressive comment kinda disproves it - So the second , more probable one is that you're yet another moral-approval seeking hypocrite that lurks this forum downvoting anything slightly negative and showing how much of a better person he is in shallow comments.

I very rarely downvote anything actually and no, I’m a person who understands people playing poorly in my games aren’t doing it on purpose to slight me.

I have little right to whine about someone doing poorly when I myself have had games where I was the one getting shit on and causing my team to lose.

And please don't start the "you shouldn't insult people" argument, it's pointless. You're 2000 years late for being a martyr, and much more yet to put on a martyr act.

Not trying to be a martyr, just a decent human being, didn’t realize insulting people and making them feel like shit is the normal thing you are supposed to do nowadays, my mistake.

Context is indeed everything , your first question is in no way rhetorical, even "good people" snap when they're subjected to injustice.

And in what context is it ok to insult people? In what context is it ok to make sure the person who already knows they are doing poorly knows it? In what context is telling him and harping on his mistakes going to help you or them?

captcha or loseJun 12, 20191 votes

Context is important here, I wasn't calling top dogshit directly. Our jungler called bot dogshit and I just replied to his sentence jokingly with the exact same line but changing who it's about. You can't see that part, but it's kind of important to not see things completely one-sided.

JamareeJun 12, 20191 votes

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Context is important here, I wasn't calling top dogshit directly. Our jungler called bot dogshit and I just replied to his sentence jokingly with the exact same line but changing who it's about. You can't see that part, but it's kind of important to not see things completely one-sided.

Why does that make it ok?

captcha or loseJun 12, 20191 votes

Because it's a conversation with someone else, wasn't directing the comment directly at the person. Isn't really 'aggression' when you're not directly referring to the person I'm calling a joke term 'dogshit'

JamareeJun 12, 20191 votes

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Because it's a conversation with someone else, wasn't directing the comment directly at the person. Isn't really 'aggression' when you're not directly referring to the person I'm calling a joke term 'dogshit'

And the system is supposed to know that how?

captcha or loseJun 12, 20191 votes

an employee could read the entire team chat and see that in fact I was talking to someone else and he said the exact same thing just before I did :) was just a conversation with someone, not really flaming. He was 1/9 which is pretty 'dogshit' for a ranked game :)

JamareeJun 12, 20191 votes

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an employee could read the entire team chat and see that in fact I was talking to someone else and he said the exact same thing just before I did :) was just a conversation with someone, not really flaming. He was 1/9 which is pretty 'dogshit' for a ranked game :)

So you expect an employee to read these chats everytime someone use this and don't see how that isn't realistic, also, please don't act like you haven't had a ranked game where you were the same.

captcha or loseJun 12, 20191 votes

I invite you to scroll through my history and see where I have been 1/9 or worse :) and yes when my account status is in question I do expect an actual case to be reviewed by an employee and to see the full picture objectively :) As in court, innocent till proven guilty even if there is a case against you :) I don't want to end up getting banned because of a 'mistake' which has happened and only resolved once I opened a ticket :) I'd like for you to get off your high horse and back to to the real world :)

JamareeJun 12, 20191 votes

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I invite you to scroll through my history and see where I have been 1/9 or worse :)

You have a 2/9 with Darius and a 0/8 with Bard.

and yes when my account status is in question I do expect an actual case to be reviewed by an employee and to see the full picture objectively :) As in court, innocent till proven guilty even if there is a case against you :)

But there is a case against you, and your proof of your misdeeds is right there. You don't get to say "Well, yeah I did it, but so did they." in real life to get off, so the same applies here.

captcha or loseJun 12, 20191 votes

I don;t play bard in ranked so idk where you got that from, as for the 2/9 darius, congrats on finding ONE game in my history, whereas that 1/9 had multiple :) he's constantly feeding and I've had multiple streaks in the last few days losses due to feeders too. If it was just a 'one off' it'd be whatever, but it's too frequent to consider these players 'one-offs'

JamareeJun 12, 20191 votes

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I don;t play bard in ranked so idk where you got that from

Not sure why ranked or not matters but ok.

as for the 2/9 darius, congrats on finding ONE game in my history, whereas that 1/9 had multiple :) he's constantly feeding and I've had multiple streaks in the last few days losses due to feeders too.

But you also have multiple games where you are the feeder, not to the 1/9 level sure but you have splashed of 1/6 and 3/11 here and there, just like every other player funnily enough, much like the Renekton player you mentioned.

If it was just a 'one off' it'd be whatever, but it's too frequent to consider these players 'one-offs'

Except he doesn’t, as I have found the player you mentioned and saw his match history to see he doesn’t consistently going scores like that, but ok.

UpgradesJun 10, 20192 votes

I would think being called dog shit would ruin my mood, and I'd call that being aggressive, you blatantly insulted him.. Also all of your lines were negative, if you look under Negative Attitude on the report screen, it will have Giving Up as one of it's criteria, which is what you did at the end. It's just a 10 game chat restrict. Just don't flame your top and just give up with a negative attitude like that and you'll be fine. You don't need to point out people's scores and mistakes, I would think they'd already know they're having a bad game and don't need someone throwing it in their face

captcha or loseJun 12, 20191 votes

Context is important, the jungler called bot dogshit, i jokingly made a quip by copying him and saying it was top instead. Didn't directly flame top till he said to report me and was clearly inting tilted 1/9. He was tilted, by comparison I was fairly chill. And you're right! When I'm clearly losing I should try and put in more effort to feel even more tilted when I lose! there is no coming back when someone is 1/9 and they are at your inhib before 20 minutes :)

Telephone BoothJun 11, 20192 votes

Pretty obvious. Insulting players is against the rules. Surprised you didnt know that... but hey, learn something new everyday.

LordGeovanniJun 11, 20191 votes

Was with ya until you call for Surrender

captcha or loseJun 12, 20191 votes

They were at inhib turrets at 15 minutes lmao it was over trust me, the feeder didn't want to end obviously.

LordGeovanniJun 14, 20191 votes

I just won a game where we were down a whole player from 0:00 its not that games cant be came back from but that people arent willing to try and dont know how. Feeding is actually the easiest thing to come back from because no matter how much they feed they are still a champion and thus cant be ignored. Won another one the other day where they cracked open out base and we pushed out to theirs and won too.

Light NinjaJun 12, 20191 votes

if u get banned youll lose all the money u spent on the game :D or anymore if u do hehe

captcha or loseJun 12, 20191 votes

I know that. Been there. Bit ridiculous to ban someone for 'reacting' to other toxic people, as has been my case. Apparently I 'caused others to have a negative experience' by 'replying to those people trying to tilt me', but league also says to mute and forget losses from feeders cause it's just one game :(((( and you won't remember later, so why are you banning me if apparently the people who were 'negatively affected' are just going to forget and get over it? I didn't fucking traumatize them for life. Double standards, and refusing to ban those people who griefed and cause ACTUAL damage to both gameplay and results. Speaking has little harm by way of mute and chat filter. I can't click a button to stop someone griefing/trolling/int feeding.

But Yea in a few games out of hundreds. 300 games in ranked, 100's of honours, about 10 games for a permaban. Seems reasonable. If I was really 'that toxic' would be banned before getting there.