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These Champions Need Change/Change My Mind

Frosted Tips··2 votes·1,041 views

I will start this off by saying these are my opinion and I would like people to argue with me and add to what I post here.

How the list will work is I that I will have one list for champions that need Minor Gameplay Updates (3 or less changes/additions to abilities) or Major Gameplay Updates. (4 changes/additions up to full rework) Also I will bold champions that I believe need the change desperately. Then I will explain my major problems with each champion.

Minor Gameplay Update:

  • Brand
  • Diana
  • Hecarim
  • Malphite
  • Morgana
  • Nasus
  • Volibear
  • Zilean

Major Gameplay Update:

  • Amumu
  • Dr. Mundo
  • Fiddlesticks
  • Janna
  • Kayle
  • Master Yi
  • Nocturne
  • Pantheon
  • Shaco
  • Udyr

Explanation:

Brand: He can dish out too much damage with very little gold and even when being caught out. Many times just pressing R can be enough if you get caught out which is disgusting to me. Also his E is extremely bland and just a point click that doesn't really add anything interesting to his kit and easily could be mad a new ability. I also believe he should be a midlaner and not a support and just have lower base numbers and better AP ratios especially with his passive that has absurd number. He just does too much damage to both squishies and tanks.

Diana: Easiest way to explain it is that she has the same issue Talon used to have and that's about it. Very much one dimensional and just so feast or famine.

Hecarim: Always seems unbalanced IMO either really good or absolute garbage. I think his Passive, E, and R are good abilities but his Q and W are just so basic they don't add much decision making.

Malphite: Simply too much power loaded into his R. That's it.

Morgana: I personally believe Morgana belongs as a midlaner that is more supportive. She should have lower base numbers and higher ratios. Too much power in her Q and E so they need nerfs. Both should have duration nerfs. I would say then possibly add a grounded effect to her R.

Nasus: I think his Q and R are fine and his identity. Honestly the rest of hes kit needs completely reworked. It is dated and needing to build both qss and grievous wounds is ridiculous.

Volibear: Honestly his Q and R are just so dated they should just be new abilities. He is jsut run at you and kill you if he still has enough hp after getting to you.

Zilean: Just no real decisions on this champion just like ult when fed person gets low. And try to get stun. I think his E and Q need to be changed.

Amumu: Has to get blue or he can't do anything which is a big problem makes him very easy to track movements. Can't fight anyone in at all. He is a jungler that has to concede his entire jungle. Full GPU or a Rework is required to fix him.

Dr. Mundo: Concept is not followed up by design. He has such a cool concept of being the Hulk but just runs at you on fire and throws cleavers. He makes no sense and just needs a Full Rework.

Fiddlesticks: Too much power in E and too reliant on the other team not having vision to do anything. Very dated kit that doesn't really complement each other.

Janna: Makes melee champions useless and has no counters. All her abilities together are just too good and she is extremely oppressive. Never been bad in the last 5 seasons and honestly probably sense her release. She is strong in every meta which is usually a sign that the champion is too good.

Kayle: She never really feels balanced she just seems to be in a state of mediocrity because Riot has given up on balancing her so I feel they should just Rework her.

Master Yi: Main point is that he abuses Items/Other Champions abilities harder than anyone else so then those Items and Champion are changed around how abusive Yi is with them which I would say is a big problem.

Nocturne: Same as Diana's problem. Just so one dimensional needs more options has great concept but not executed well.

Pantheon: He is extremely oppressive and again has no decision making and no real way to show proficient on the champion.

Shaco: Toxic play style just invisible then 100-0. He just needs a large change because the mini rework made him less fun to play and more toxic to play against.

Udyr: I actually don't think I should have to explain, but he is just so dated it hurts.

11 Comments

Salvor Hardın1 votes

I agree with some things, not so much others, but I would like to add another category:

Visual Update

There are champions like Olaf, Zilean, Blitz, who have very outdated models, and they could use an update even if it's mostly textures.

Frosted Tips1 votes

I didn't do VU because I'm talking mainly about game health and balance. Also what are some of the things you disagree with?

Malix Farwin1 votes

Don't want to change your mind, you are too far gone.

Frosted Tips2 votes

I would really like to talk to people about the ideas I have verses their own. I think it is great to talk about it so we can have more ideas and people can have their minds changed even if either of ours don't.

HalcyonDweller2 votes

They why comment? Put your ego away buddy. If you're not here to participate in a productive discussion then don't waste the OP's time.

Malix Farwin1 votes

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They why comment? Put your ego away buddy. If you're not here to participate in a productive discussion then don't waste the OP's time.

Lmao i am not the one with the ego, i didnt make a thread with this name and tell ppl to "change my mind".

HalcyonDweller2 votes

Funny thing about ego, it's not like the heart of darkness, it's not limited to the possession of one individual at any give time. We could all have an ego at the same time.

Maybe you should have called them out for their ego instead of putting them down for no reason.

Frosted Tips1 votes

Lol the reason I put "change my mind" is because it is a meme that will attract people to the discussion. Crowder does it to incentivise people to talk to him.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

I will comment about what you said about Brand.

His E isn't as simple as you think, it's supposed to be used to help spread his passive. Because if he uses it on a burning target it will spread the damage to nearby enemies.

All in all it's pretty cool, but the rest of his kit overshadows it because the rest of the kit is easier to use and produces better damage. I would argue that what Riot should actually do with brand is increase his skill floor, by making it harder to get high damage off with other parts of his kit, and require him to skillfully use his various combos to reach that damage potential.

E should remain, possibly the way it is, or possible made more powerful, the trade-off should be that power should be taken out of other parts of his kit. As long as he has easy access to damage through other parts of his kit, he will never need to skillfully use his E to spread his passive.

It might work to require more stacks to trigger the passive explosion. Maybe 5 stacks or something, and give him a passive that lets him use auto-attacks somehow to spread his passive too. Also he will need to lose base damage from his other abilities. W and R are just too good in the situations where they are optimal.

Will return tonight to discuss this further with you. Will be busy for the majority of the afternoon.

Frosted Tips1 votes

I know how his E works and being that it is just point click and really the only time you make sure that it will spread is while clearing a wave if you are in a team fight you will just R and the E that target there really isn't much thought.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Yeah that's my point, decrease his reliability and damage output (or lock it behind more complex actions) so he's required to do more in order to get full use out of it.

Having E spread the fire is still really cool and shouldn't be taken away, but if the point and click is too much then maybe it could be something that happens in an area and instead of applying it to a target it affects enemies in the AoE who already have a stack of his passive on them.

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