"Locket seemed like an overused, mandatory item on supports, so we changed it"

woobee·Dec 20, 2016·76 votes·4,091 views

hahahahahaha

56 Comments

ChalizardDec 20, 201642 votes

Then: Do you play against strong ap champions? Yes: buy locket. No: buy something else. Now: Do you play lol? Yes: Buy locket. No: buy locket.

WukongzDec 20, 20166 votes

Now: Do you play lol? Yes: Buy locket. No: buy locket.

I laughed more than I should have.

DracocrashDec 20, 201620 votes

the main purpose was to remove invisble power and add visible power, which they suceeded in doing.

Zen InethDec 20, 201610 votes

Yeah, I was about to mention this. They reworked Locket because it gave free stats when only a single person built it. The aura effect is the main reason they didn't like its interaction with teams.

ahferroin7Dec 21, 20161 votes

I actually didn't like the aura that much, I built locket because it was one of the best MR+HP items in game for a support. Now, I almost never build it, because there really are better options until you hit late game (and even then there are often better options unless the enemy team is mediocre at both dealing damage and tanking).

OurLestradeDec 20, 20167 votes

90% of it being overemphasis on the shield now really hurts CDR and health for most of my support builds too, it sucks :/

PPPPPPPPPPPP270Dec 20, 201612 votes

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90% of it being overemphasis on the shield now really hurts CDR and health for most of my support builds too, it sucks :/

Are you kidding me every support item has CDR of some kind.

Big LincolnDec 20, 20165 votes

locket doesn't

:^)

YumaS2AstralDec 20, 20163 votes

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locket doesn't

Locket used to, though

That said, it isn't like it is not easy to stack CDR as a support. Even if you find it difficult, runes DO exist.

10TicklerDec 20, 20163 votes

It's easy to stack CDR, but most of the support items are tethered to a UNIQUE PASSIVE: +10% Shield/Heal Strength.

YumaS2AstralDec 20, 20165 votes

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It's easy to stack CDR, but most of the support items are tethered to a UNIQUE PASSIVE: +10% Shield/Heal Strength.

Is this an unique NAMED passive?

If not, then you shouldn't worry, as they all come from different items, so they stack (they wouldn't stack if they came from the same item).

Unless you are using a support without shields or heals such as Leona.

SteelflameDec 21, 20166 votes

I don't know what your talking about. Leona has a big ass shield. She bashed my face in with it yesterday.

Ariel the CruelDec 21, 20161 votes

item 3070 Galio

ahferroin7Dec 21, 20161 votes

Unless you have a full CDR page (which some people do for supports), it's actually a whole hell of a lot easier on a mage (seriously, it's hard for them to not get 40% CDR), or assassin (who really don't need it as much as they think they do).

Ariel the CruelDec 21, 20161 votes

ADC's get 30% from 1 item. item 3508

Decent options for the remaining 10%. item 3812 item 3156 item 3071 item 3142 item 3057 item 3137 (TT) item 3104 (TT)

Why is CDR even a thing at this point?

Stormshadow3503Dec 20, 20161 votes

Sightstone has CDR

OctobrDec 21, 20162 votes

Item Active Ability CDR, not spell CDR.

RavenMagusDec 21, 20161 votes

item 2302 item 2301 ?

Ariel the CruelDec 21, 20161 votes

item 2303 item 2302 item 2301 "Eye of . . ." item 2049 "Sightstone" item 2045 "Ruby Sightstone"

RavenMagusDec 21, 20161 votes

that is extremely nitpicky.

They are often collectively referred to as sightstones because that is what the base item is and they all share the same general function.

When someone asks you to "build a sightstone" as a support, it's okay to build an "eye of" item even if it doesn't have Sightstone in the name.

MatbanDec 21, 20161 votes

But there is no CDR in the Sightstone part. You wouldn't say "you need more health, get a item 1029 " because the builds into item 3143 . Both item 3096 and item 3098 give CDR themselves, and the respective Eyes inherit that CDR.

And Enchantresses have many options to get CDR ( item 3504 item 3174 item 3222 item 3107 item 2301 item 3092 ), while tanky supports don't: item 2303 or item 3401 + item 2045 , item 3109 , item 3190 all no CDR, many other tank items don't give CDR as well.

PROJECT KatarìnaDec 20, 20164 votes

item 3107

chipndip1Dec 20, 20166 votes

Adding another mandatory item doesn't make Locket not mandatory.

BlueBilberryDec 21, 20161 votes

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Adding another mandatory item doesn't make Locket not mandatory.

Standard conversation between the jungler and support while waiting to do a Red leash to start the game, even when the other side is AD heavy:

Graves : "Oh cool, so you are a Zilean support, huh? I assume you are going to be building locket. Right?" Zilean : "..."

TeCoolMageDec 21, 20161 votes

It no longer has aura and has armour now. I bought it on Soraka to counter Riven late game

LevikDec 21, 20164 votes

This is the tragic truth of low income support itemization. The moment there is an item that is cost effective, it becomes mandatory on supports and abused by other roles. Until there is a system that prevents high income roles from getting low income items, support items will always be terrible or abused.

WoonStruckDec 20, 20163 votes

hahahahahaha

MunchCrunchLunchDec 20, 20163 votes

its still mandatory lmao. the shield is so strong. redemeption is even more mandatory

DarkRitualDec 20, 20164 votes

I've got a good record so far this season as a support. I build neither of those.

Definately not mandatory.

ahferroin7Dec 21, 20161 votes

Agreed, Locket is only broken later in the game, and Redemption is only practical on supports who actually have heals (yes, the other bits are good, but it's not gold efficient if you don't have heals).

Ariel the CruelDec 21, 20161 votes

The active is what makes Redemption so strong. Not the stats.

BlueBilberryDec 23, 20161 votes

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Agreed, Locket is only broken later in the game, and Redemption is only practical on supports who actually have heals (yes, the other bits are good, but it's not gold efficient if you don't have heals).

Redemption is also gold efficient on shielding champs too - which includes those tank supports which have built Face of the Mountain by the time they grabbed the Redemption.

ahferroin7Dec 23, 20161 votes

Point taken, although I see more support tanks build EotE than FotM on Rift.

Telephone BoothDec 21, 20161 votes

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its still mandatory lmao. the shield is so strong. redemeption is even more mandatory

That's the point

ZedexDec 20, 20163 votes

item 3107 ??

Lady YukiDec 20, 20163 votes

New locket sucks. Redemption is its replacement.

serenity7Dec 20, 20161 votes

If its over used and mandatory, it might as well be good at what it does. But I think it should be nerfed a bit, maybe remove 25 to 50 shield amount.

KoKobotoDec 20, 20161 votes

I honestly don't feel it's a must buy every game. I'd rather give my champion more stats so I can stay alive longer and do what my champion is supposed to do longer sometimes.

StephenizgodDec 21, 20161 votes

item 3190 + item 3222 item 3107 item 3504 windspeakers blessing = Massive shields

Jaygo41Dec 21, 20161 votes

"... so we made item 3107 "

BlueBilberryDec 21, 20161 votes

Interesting how no one brought up Knight's Vow item 3109 or Zeke's Harbinger item 3050 - two often forgotten support items. Knight's Vow was opined by some to be OP when it first came out, yet I don't see it used very often. Plus I find it works quite well on tanky supports who have good health regen.

As for Zeke's Harb, I've found it handy on mage poke supports. I admit though that Zeke's a bit underwhelming when your other slots are filled with item 2301 , item 3303 and/or item 2045 ). Perhaps Riot still needs to think about how to give items to supports that are not limited to just the early-to-middle game.

Reaper SorakaDec 21, 20161 votes

Knight's vow is amazing! I love it but I feel like I shouldn't be picking it up on my squishy little utility supports. Zeke's feels so situational and it's active(kinda active?) feels like it's used on minions more than enemies.

RavenMagusDec 21, 20161 votes

Knight's Vow seems a bit too good, but it's way overshadowed by the Locket/Redemption thing. Knight's Vow gives an ADC 12% more HP, which honestly seems pretty crazy - but then that's nothing compared to the 20-30% HP shield plus another 20-30% heal that the other two items give.

That and it's only good on melee supports - ranged supports get half the benefit.

I personally never liked Zeke's much. It builds up too slowly and the window of power is pretty small, at least IMO - I prefer being able to capitalize on an opponent's small mistake or mispositioning rather than having to wait for the Zeke's proc and then brute force engaging. I suppose it can be good paired with Twitch who can just go in and kill stuff whenever he wants, though.

Champion SkinDec 21, 20161 votes

item 3109 it is really good... but it isn't the best for protecting the ADC... it increase the durability of the ADC by 12% however item 3190 / item 3107 usually offers more protection (and they are AoE so they can offer protection to the entire team not only one player)

item 3109 however is pretty good at keeping the support alive as long as the ADC is dealing damage to enemy champions

Ariel the CruelDec 21, 20161 votes

Vow is incredibly strong. It's also invisible power. When the other team's <Fed as F person> jumps on the ADC, they don't see the 12% reduced damage (6% on ranged supports). They DO see the 500 health shield and 250 health heal. They also FEEL the 10% max health true damage. So it makes sense that locket/Redemption get more of the mob's focus.

Zeke's is a great item until the ADC hits 100% crit chance. Which generally happens around 3 items - the same time you'd buy Zeke's. Unless you're Veigar and want the +20% AP. Zeke's has the same problem as Ohmwrecker. Great item, but useless by the time you can reasonably get it.

TeCoolMageDec 21, 20161 votes

supports have build diversity, look, they have so many different types of builds!

item 3190 item 3107 item 2045 item 3117 item 3069 item 3504 if you have heals and shields

item 3109 item 3190 item 3401 item 2045 item 3111 item 3110 if you're a tank against high physical damage

item 3109 item 3190 item 3401 item 2045 item 3111 item 3102 if you're a tank against high magic damage

item 2301 item 3020 item 3190 item 3157 item 3135 item 3285 if you're a mage

WOW MANY BUILDS!

VexingRavenDec 21, 20161 votes

"We changed it so it's still mandatory except it doesn't help the support themselves as much".

Nice.

DengedenDec 21, 20161 votes

Junglers too. Your lack of game knowledge is showing.

ThwartinMaPlansDec 21, 20161 votes

The locket shield active is a little fckin Op. I always rush that shit on support. Im dirt tier so redemption isnt as god the retards nvr stay in the heal lol they run from it.

BlueBilberryDec 23, 20161 votes

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The locket shield active is a little fckin Op. I always rush that shit on support. Im dirt tier so redemption isnt as god the retards nvr stay in the heal lol they run from it.

Suspect you are right about the wood tier running away from the Redemption zone. Played a few arams with some unranked and some bronze players, and I bought the Redemption (because I was familiar with its usefulness from Rift play on my alt). You can imagine my astonishment/frustration/amazement when my own team ran away from the healing area.