Nocturne, the underpowered shadow.

Onikenshin·6/11/2015, 3:48:23 AM·2 votes·1,189 views

Has anybody played nocturne recently? I have. Have you jungled with him recently? I have. The camps have been buffed. Nocturne has not. He clears camps very slowly early game and has no significant sustain. He is much easier to play on TT but falls out late game against other champions such as Kha and Rengar.

I really think Nocturne could use a little buff. His attack damage is pretty low regardless of the Q buff. His W is 1.5 seconds and you really, really, really, need to land a good hit with that if you want to maximize your damage. The problem comes when you have no way to stop auto attacks from champions, you have no way to block the damage from champions like Yi, Fiora, any ADC, even Jax. (Okay, Jax derps on anybody who uses auto attacks as a primary means of damage) I don't feel like with his damage reliant on 5 seconds of a damage buff (Which if you want to actually do something in the game you will maybe break 300 AD with that buff) and a maybe you will get an ability with your W.

It seems fairly stacked against Nocturne currently because of his low damage and tankyness for jungling. Even if the only change was to Umbra blades cutting the CD in half that would make him more effective and probably more viable. It would give him enough damage and sustain faster to keep up with current meta junglers as well as being able to do more early.

3 Comments

YumaS2Astral6/11/2015, 4:00:38 AM1 votes

I used him yesterday. I was building full tank, my build was going to be something like item 3717, item 3047, item 3102, item 3110, and then I purchased a item 3010 but the game ended before I was able to complete this item. I planned to purchase item 3800 then item 3075.

I admit that this is not Nocturne's best build, and there are other champions that do better as full tanks. I just wanted to use him to have fun. With that said, Nocturne is in a really weird spot. He was designed as, and has the base stats of an assassin, yet he doesn't have burst and he has to build as a bruiser or full tank to be even remotely useful. As a full-damage Nocturne will be blown in seconds. The problem is that if you want to use a bruiser or tank, there are much better picks other than him. At the moment the only thing that Nocturne has over other junglers is his vision denial during teamfights.

FantasySniper6/11/2015, 7:51:04 AM1 votes

The problem with his current kit is mostly that it can take a while to kill your target, and you don't have the tankiness or escape to make it out of fights after an assassination when you build damage, so you're forced to build him bruiser and this leads to a sub-optimal method of play for him.

If they ever did more changes, it would probably be increasing his ult range or tweaking his passive so it occurs more often while sacrificing its potency for the same total.

Onikenshin6/11/2015, 10:08:00 PM1 votes

I have had success with him building on hit effects item, Wits end, Bork, Cleaver, while still having some tankiness in 3v3. I really think it's only because I can't be nuked down as quickly with only three champions in the game. I would agree with both an ult range and tweaked passive to happen more often. I really think he needs some sort of disengage or at least more available build paths to a full out bruiser.