That's not the issue with Gragas.

Weathered·Jan 24, 2017·3 votes·772 views

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Giving him a love tap might bump his winrate, but sustainability and defense isn't his issue. He is clunky to play and ruined by the ult changes.

7 Comments

TormentulaJan 24, 20173 votes

"We buffed gragas just a little bit so he can jungle clear better"

Gragas Yay!

"We also buffed the damage krugs and gromp do significantly!"

Gragas item 3070 Krugs: We'll drink you under the table scrub!

Wet DrymanJan 24, 20172 votes

Ult changes aren't that bad (and i'm saying it as a Gragas main). It isn't just as reliable as it was before and adds counterplay that was nonexistant before. You can still use your ult efficiently but the difference is that you have to do some animation cancelling (you can throw Q, R or even both at the same time while dashing with E) and you have less time for thinking about where they will go/where to land it. It just needs some practice. Gragas doesn't feel clunky if you can animation cancel with him.

His sustain and defense is the problem in early game though. He is vulnerable after first clears because he has less hp after those clears than most current meta matchups and second clear is just outrageous (red buff doing 60% of your hp even with defensive W and E usage + you don't deal enough damage to clear him fast). Low hp and defense combined with fact that Gragas most efficient build makes him very squishy during early game phase brings attention of enemy jungler (and the bad news is that most of the meta junglers can counterjungle efficiently and duel well).

WeatheredJan 25, 20171 votes

I played Gragas a lot. I know the deal with animation canceling, but my personal fued is that the changes force you to ult during E for the classic combo, making W much less fluent and less reliable.

Wet DrymanJan 25, 20171 votes

if you use your W before dashing you can still hit your target with it while he is midair or if you're fast enough in the moment the cask explodes. This ult clunkiness is pain in the ass while you're playing AP Gragas though because it's easy for nearly everyone to outplay you. And you're not forced to throw ult during E as long as you hit your target with stun as it gives enough time for landing the proper ult you just have less time for thinking, it forces you to be fast. The only downside of this is that slow motion ult animation that feels horrible.

Bless up FamJan 24, 20171 votes

i think gragas needs a base movespeed boost.

EpicMusicJan 25, 20171 votes

What exactly did they change?

Wet DrymanJan 25, 20171 votes

Fixed delay on his ult (no matter at what range you throw it it's delayed by 0.55 seconds + like 0.20 seconds cast time) and nerfed cooldown on his E (its 16 seconds on level 1 and it's ability that is maxed last).