Riot has:
At this point, it's not even about ADC's being too strong, it's the fact that every other class is extremely weak except Enchanters and Marksmen.
Step Sis Lux68 votesGutted assassins? have u seen last 5 patches when nocturne zed kha rengar and etc get buffed like in 3 patches in a row, i wont even talk about brainless fizz
Thefrostyviking49 votesSome people just dont mind facts at all.
Anything that can be used to paint a picture to their liking will be used.
Sure, i wont argue that botlane is a damned mess, that is pretty damn obvious to anyone by now.
But that doesnt mean other champs arent also problematic or even equally ridiculous, like kha6, like fizz or how rengar got his snowball back.
Or Fiora who still has that ridiculous true damage, Darius being fking insanely hard to do anything about when not playing Fiora or one of his very few direct counters in the toplane.
Or vladimir still dominating both solo and pro play, since basically forever, low cost sustain mage that has both DPS and burst and tankiness post some point, also, a panic button.
Ryze getting reworks on reworks with no end in sight.
Rakan with his oh so skillful dash-ulti combo x)
And lets not forget Shaco, who has also steadily been making his way back to the top-
Botlane is a damn mess i wont argue that, but people like OP pretending that the other roles dont have equally messy parts or even pretending everything else is "balanced and fair" is just beyond my understanding x)
FOR JUSTICE3 votesThis asf, because even in low elo there are only like 2 or 3 marksmen that are considered OP
Eye Of Terror4 votesF*cking THIS!
greekvandaL3 votesSome people just dont mind facts at all.
Anything that can be used to paint a picture to their liking will be used.
Sure, i wont argue that botlane is a damned mess, that is pretty damn obvious to anyone by now.
But that doesnt mean other champs arent also problematic or even equally ridiculous, like kha6, like fizz or how rengar got his snowball back.
Or Fiora who still has that ridiculous true damage, Darius being fking insanely hard to do anything about when not playing Fiora or one of his very few direct counters in the toplane.
Or vladimir still dominating both solo and pro play, since basically forever, low cost sustain mage that has both DPS and burst and tankiness post some point, also, a panic button.
Ryze getting reworks on reworks with no end in sight.
Rakan with his oh so skillful dash-ulti combo x)
And lets not forget Shaco, who has also steadily been making his way back to the top-
Botlane is a damn mess i wont argue that, but people like OP pretending that the other roles dont have equally messy parts or even pretending everything else is "balanced and fair" is just beyond my understanding x)
people still cry about Darius. oh well silver top 60% i forgot
Thefrostyviking4 votesIf Darius can have a 50%+ winrante and 9,5% playrate in plati+ in Korea then he clearly isnt anywhere near as bad as some people would have others believe.
A lot of shit can happen but statistics dont lie over a long span of time.....and Darius has only been rising.
And according to OP.GG, out of 56 matchups he only has a negative winrate ranging between slightly bad to bad in 11 matchups.
Meaning he either goes even or wins the remaining 45.
Such a awful, useless champ only has a good chance in 45 outa 56 matchups.
But at least he isnt Irelia? She loses 13 matchups, and camilie is gods awful going and losing 20 of the matchups.
Truly, these champs are beyond terrible and not viable for toplane at all <.<
Lets hope Riot buffs Darius up so he only loses 5 or less matchups, then he´ll be good right?
I truly feel ya, he could really use some buffs^^
Jon 6789101 votesIf Darius can have a 50%+ winrante and 9,5% playrate in plati+ in Korea then he clearly isnt anywhere near as bad as some people would have others believe.
A lot of shit can happen but statistics dont lie over a long span of time.....and Darius has only been rising.
And according to OP.GG, out of 56 matchups he only has a negative winrate ranging between slightly bad to bad in 11 matchups.
I'd argue that Irelia is worse, if only because of the extremities of her numbers. While Darius does win or go even with more champs, Irelia has higher numbers when she does win vs that champ. When you're at a 55%+ win rate vs many champs, it suggests that it's more about the strength of the counterpick than the player's skill.
What I'm trying to say is, while Darius is a strong champ, I believe he's healthier than irelia because his matchups aren't so polarised. He's still a cancer to lane against, but almost all juggernauts are.
Thefrostyviking1 votes[{quoted}](name=Jon 678910,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ai3FAZ3d,comment-id=00010000000300000000,timestamp=2018-04-30T21:40:42.780+0000)
I'd argue that Irelia is worse, if only because of the extremities of her numbers. While Darius does win or go even with more champs, Irelia has higher numbers when she does win vs that champ. When you're at a 55%+ win rate vs many champs, it suggests that it's more about the strength of the counterpick than the player's skill.
Well that or she still is a bit overtuned or has item synergy for days.
What I'm trying to say is, while Darius is a strong champ, I believe he's healthier than irelia because his matchups aren't so polarised. He's still a cancer to lane against, but almost all juggernauts are.
And this is a few excellent points.....for even while Darius doesnt crap on as many its because you basically dont dare interact with him unless the matchup is favorable.
"Just stand on him"
Grab, movespeed slow and phage in his corebuild, gotcha.
"Dont fight him for extended periods"
Same as above.
"Get armor and health"
Well i might as well play a tank and not interact at all for the next 15 minutes more than a bit of CC here and there.
No wonder really that his only bad matchups all either have range/high mobility/sticking power or are the same as him but stronger (illaoi).
Malcha5 votesI think his point is that, while some lines have problematic champions, the lanes themselves aren't the issue.
Bot lane and all that is encompassed by that, is in a very problematic state right now that seems to be causing issues everywhere else. Sure there are problematic champs in other places, but the problem in bot overall is much larger an impact full on the state of the game than any one or group of problems from other lanes.
TehNACHO1 votesI'm bookmarking this.
Malix Farwin2 votes[{quoted}](name=Step Sis Lux,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ai3FAZ3d,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-04-30T12:03:14.874+0000)
Gutted assassins? have u seen last 5 patches when nocturne zed kha rengar and etc get buffed like in 3 patches in a row, i wont even talk about brainless fizz
Need to ask yourself this, Why were they buffed in the first place?
Step Sis Lux2 votesBecause the nerfed duskblade aa 100dmg(?) and then gave them 3/4 buffs? What was even point of nerfing duskblade and then buffing them like this XD
ΦmalphintoΦ1 votes[{quoted}](name=Step Sis Lux,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ai3FAZ3d,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-04-30T12:03:14.874+0000)
Gutted assassins? have u seen last 5 patches when nocturne zed kha rengar and etc get buffed like in 3 patches in a row, i wont even talk about brainless fizz
Hahahaha i was the Fizz in your game :'D hi hi..
Marothennan27 votesIt's favoritism until you realize that if you play bot you constantly get ganked by mid and jungle. Honestly I'd like this shit to end. ADCs aren't happy with this shit either believe it or not. I'll tell you who's happy though.... points at shieldsluts 
AMYS GRAVE5 votesI don't play janna or lulu all that much, but as a support main this shit needs to end. Most of us aren't happy about it either.
Malix Farwin6 votesIt's favoritism until you realize that if you play bot you constantly get ganked by mid and jungle. Honestly I'd like this shit to end. ADCs aren't happy with this shit either believe it or not. I'll tell you who's happy though.... points at shieldsluts
Why are you getting ganked constantly? Maybe its because you are the only lane that matters perhaps?
Marothennan1 votes[{quoted}](name=Malix Farwin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ai3FAZ3d,comment-id=00040003,timestamp=2018-04-30T16:18:22.677+0000)
Why are you getting ganked constantly? Maybe its because you are the only lane that matters perhaps?
Only lane that matters? Hell naw. Higher impact? Yeah. But I never said that's not the case. Also the fact that the bot lane tower is even shittier than the other towers ( yes folks that's possible apparently ) doesn't help at all.
Feel Apathy15 votesI honestly don't see it.
Assassins are the most played class and usually decide games. [be it when they're in your team with 50 cs and 0-4 or in the opposing team with 150 cs and 10-0]
Bruisers have never not been picked be it jungle or top.
Top lane is the Darius or Irelia/Jax bar at the moment, if you cannot beat those champions then it really sucks to be you.
Jungle is swarming with kha'zix/rengar or graves players, sometimes with the occasional tank as a counterpick / hard engage.
Ratpie12 votesI have been playing LoL for a long while, I think I started between Season 1 and 2. I have spent most of my time in mid or the jungle, with some dabbling as support. In general I like playing champs that have a lot of utility and off-meta. I played Yasuo once and felt like I lost a piece of my soul. Mid has always been a fun play. My few excursions into top has been fun although lonely at times. Support is fun if you pick something more aggressive and no a mindless zombie pick. Jungle over the last 4 seasons has been my favorite, but a lot of champs I have enjoyed playing in the past have become a dead weight in games after the rune changes. Season 7 I wanted to see how many champs I could jungle with and carry a team and I think I hit about 30ish that I could do well with. This season most of my favorite picks just get raped by the cheese burst/mobility champs.
SO after becoming a little frustrated with the demotion of so many jungle champs (yes I know some are insanely strong, just not the ones I played) I decided to try out ADC. I rarely ever have touched ADCs other than in ARAM. At first I thought Cait as she seemed safer with her range, but I decided to go with 
as I never had really tried him before and wanted something new. I am used to champs in jungle that are not the biggest damagers and struggling this season. Wow, playing ADC with Jhin was something else. It was like the game turned into EZ mode. I am not practiced at his gameplay or the ins and outs of his kit. I did not even watch any videos on him (which I always did in jg anytime I tried a new champ). The damage is insane. I figured I would farm on first 3 shots and then harass on 4th. I was taking out 2/3rds of champs life with one shot early, middle, and late into the game. Almost one shot Vayne once, it was funny (and by one shot, I am not saying combo, for real one bullet). Did pretty well I figure for my first night trying half a dozen games. Outplayed most of the enemy ADCs in lane. Just need to work on teh mechanics and how to better team fights.
Playing ADC last night felt like playing jungle when Sated Devourer was a thing. Broken and too much damage. Honestly, ADC feels like the easiest lane I have ever played. Jungle is hands down the hardest lane. Mid is next. Top is in the middle. Support is near the easiest. ADC is stupid easy and strong.
EDIT: oh and jungling was far easier to counter than I expected (although I was playing safe and know jungle well). And I learned how annoying Lulu is.......I had her dead in one game liek 20 times and she always managed to squirt out safe. A little more practice and she is dead.
Nyarlathοtep11 votesYou forgot the fact that while they announced the changes to mage's mana, and those changes in the jungle, they have YET to announce anything concrete about bot lane. Its like them saying "fk midlaner mages, fk junglers. Nerf bot? Nah wait a bit more hehe". They know that the majority of us hates bot with burning passion. So instead of appeasing us a tiny little bit, they just make things worse.
AmWhaleIRL5 votesYou forgot the fact that while they announced the changes to mage's mana, and those changes in the jungle, they have YET to announce anything concrete about bot lane. Its like them saying "fk midlaner mages, fk junglers. Nerf bot? Nah wait a bit more hehe". They know that the majority of us hates bot with burning passion. So instead of appeasing us a tiny little bit, they just make things worse.
They've made multiple replies and statements on Bot Lane. Meddler said in a post (or maybe it was a comment 🤔) a week or 2 ago that marksman changes are due 8.10 maybe, 8.11 and possibly more patches to come based off the first set of changes. I know the waits been hard, GOD has it been hard. But they're gonna get hit soon enough. And if it's not enough or clearly pussy changes then we start a fucking riot.
Nyarlathοtep4 votesI know that. Its just frustrating that botlane gets hit the last. Like why would you do that? Its the most problematic lane. Despite that it gets hit last?! What kind of half assed logic is this?
Bisaknosp9 votesgutted assassins? what are you talkin about xd
saltran6 votesAssasins that are not Kha are not played in pro play but for 99% of the playerbase is assasins meta forever.
Late For Tea8 votes[{quoted}](name=Toxic Diana,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ai3FAZ3d,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-04-30T11:18:01.723+0000)
- Gutted Assassins
You sure you're playing LoL? They still oneshot everyone left and right unless you picked
saltran1 votesThat's why I LOVE Janna and Lulu players.
Tomoe Gozen8 votesThere's an entire post by Riot Axes on Dev Corner about the upcoming Marksmen changes for 8.11. You should go and read that before you say anything further.
saltran2 votes[{quoted}](name=Tomoe Gozen,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ai3FAZ3d,comment-id=001b,timestamp=2018-04-30T21:45:34.178+0000)
There's an entire post by Riot Axes on Dev Corner about the upcoming Marksmen changes for 8.11. You should go and read that before you say anything further.
Why? These are real facts and not circlejerk, OP doesn't care about that.
Tomoe Gozen1 votesWhy? These are real facts and not circlejerk, OP doesn't care about that.
Didn't say anything about this being a circlejerk post.
At this point, it's not even about ADC's being too strong, it's the fact that every other class is extremely weak except Enchanters and Marksmen.
Bruisers? What are those?
Obviously, this does concern him to some extent. The post by Riot Axes on Marksmen changes deals with this and with them, indirect buffs (changes) for Bruisers who'd want more damage out of these items as well. Marksmen are going to be adjusted to not be as oppressive damage dealers early-mid game and will have their DPS (crits) adjusted to not be so good at killing squishies with 1-3 AAs in succession in late game.
The goal of the changes is not to gut Marksmen.
Larriet2 votesNo, that poster was agreeing with you. He was being snide @ OP.
Naranjo14 votesAs an ADC main, I can agree on bot lane favoritism. It has been like this for over a year and I don't like it. During the S5 tank meta, it was actually challenging to play ADC, but now you only need 
and a hypercarry. You can easily win the early game if your support has a keyboard and it is anti fun and anti challanging. Either you're stomping or being stomped, the first one being boring and the latter frustrating.
Elohaven4 votesTanks - nerfed? When? 
Assassins - gutted? When?! 
Bruisers? 
You state that they're all weak - when clearly you don't know the state of the game these last 5 patches.
Jon 6789102 votesTanks - nerfed? When?
Malphite is performing well because he recently got buffed. Galio is a terrible tank, which is visible from his 42.2% win rate in Diamond+ or 43.5% win rate in Korea (lolalytics). OP.GG doesn't have him listed for top lane. He has better win rates mid, but they are still less than 47%, and he doesn't build tank there. Nasus is not a tank, he is a fighter. Rammus, Leona, Blitzcrank and Thresh are all sitting on win rates lower than 50%, with the first 2 having tentative buffs on the PBE.
If you're gonna try and spread BS about tanks being strong, you might as well pick some strong ones (Sion comes to mind).
Elohaven2 votesPro-play loves Galio - it tells you a lot about his kit.
Rammus, Leona, and Blitzcrank have low winrates due to the total elo distribution. Take them in case-by-elo scenario. Of course the winrate will be skewed right.
Also, your comment doesn't defeat the rest of my post.
Jon 6789101 votesPro-play loves Galio - it tells you a lot about his kit.
Rammus, Leona, and Blitzcrank have low winrates due to the total elo distribution. Take them in case-by-elo scenario. Of course the winrate will be skewed right.
Also, your comment doesn't defeat the rest of my post.
Galio's kit being good for pro play means nothing for solo queue. A bunch of randoms will never have the coordination a team does.
Rammus, Leona and Blitzcrank have been performing below average at high elos.
Bârd4 votesHow do posts like this get upvoted?
There is literally a red post up right now about how they're actively planning to nerf ADC's.
LVL99 Helper TK3 votesAND ALL THESE BOT LANE MAINS WILL KEEP SCREAMING "BOT IS FIIIIINE"
Guess what, bot mains, when no one is left playing this piece of shit, you won't be having fun anymore either.
lil koda4 votesid just like to point out, we bot lane mains dont like the main focus being botlane, it puts the whole game "on our backs" where if we lose its our fault lol. its not enjoyable having 5 people in your lane every 2 seconds.
Marshbouy3 votesThis is just shitty upvote bait.
Relia Fortune2 votesGutted assasians?? That's a joke right?
Sp33d Zer02 votesboards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/2ykqAkNa-marksman-changes-coming-to-pbe-in-the-next-couple-days?comment=004b0000
The Spicy Crit2 votesYeah, whose dick i have to suck to end this bot lane bullshit already, it's been a good 3 seasons or so (my subjective thiking tho, it all started in s6).
ampheon2 votesCatchers are supports too
Daddy Tie Me Up2 votesNerfed tanks? When?
ZGM Raven1 votesWhat motivation does Riot have to favour bot lane. Marksmen aren’t the flashiest champions in the game...
marpatt111 votes[{quoted}](name=ZGM Raven,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ai3FAZ3d,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2018-04-30T18:54:30.133+0000)
What motivation does Riot have to favour bot lane. Marksmen aren’t the flashiest champions in the game...
....Except a lot of marksmen have mobility abilities that make them look flashy in lcs. Like trist resets or lucian dashing and dodging skillshots.
ZGM Raven1 votesThat would make sense except that Lucian is never played bot in LCS and Tristana is only an EU niche. The current meta ADCs are Cait, Jhin and Varus which are all definitely not flashy champions.
marpatt111 votes[{quoted}](name=ZGM Raven,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ai3FAZ3d,comment-id=001200000000,timestamp=2018-05-05T15:12:59.951+0000)
That would make sense except that Lucian is never played bot in LCS and Tristana is only an EU niche. The current meta ADCs are Cait, Jhin and Varus which are all definitely not flashy champions.
Yeah, sorry, I don't watch LCS except mostly finals so I just typed what came to mind, but still jhin has his flashy moments with the snipes from across the map, along with varus doing similar.
