I dont wanna jump on the "AD champs have too many keystones" bandwagon but why are riot making a AS Keystone for Domination? Master Yi & other similar champions can run like 8 keystones whereas mages & AP Assassins...
MuffledGarbage3 votesIt's mostly because Riot feels that ADCs[and supports] should always have the most options
After ADCs come everything else
The Ardent meta showed this off very well
remakoro2 votesSure dude. Braum aint even at 50% winrate? Have nerf. Sona got good deal out of new runes? Fucking obliterated. Karma being karma? Nerf. People getting one shot? Better nerf locket so hard that it would give even less shield than before it became decaying.
And new keystone isnt even meant for adc ffs.
And many AP champions might actually benefit from it. 
MuffledGarbage1 votesBraum and Sona both weren't nerfed until a couple patches ago
Karma is a fair counter to my statement
Locket was love-tapped to be ESLIGHTLY worse in it's base shield but the scaling is left untouched
New keystone only benefits MARKSMEN champions
There are hardly any Melee champs who even MIGHT take the new keystone, and Conqueror is better on them anyway(referring to Yi, Xin and Tryndamere)
Teemo is a MARKSMEN
Name a champ that isn't a marksmen who would be able to take the new keystone and get more use out of the keystone than a different keystone
remakoro2 votesBraum and Sona both weren't nerfed until a couple patches ago
Karma is a fair counter to my statement
Locket was love-tapped to be ESLIGHTLY worse in it's base shield but the scaling is left untouched
New keystone only benefits MARKSMEN champions
There are hardly any Melee champs who even MIGHT take the new keystone, and Conqueror is better on them anyway(referring to Yi, Xin and Tryndamere)
Teemo is a MARKSMEN
Name a champ that isn't a marksmen who would be able to take the new keystone and get more use out of the keystone than a different keystone
is a specialist...
Everything you said is a complete bullshit. So im not gonna bother even refuting you. Only in recent patch locket got nerf to its values by 50%. And its not the first nerf. If thats a love tap for you then someone should call police on you for domestic violence. Check patch history on items or champions. Sona was nerfed so recently that they even buffed her in previous patch cuz she was left in complete shit.
And Teemo.
Not sure if thats 100% definitely more use of it than other runes. Since for some champions exist several different pretty viable keystone. But here u go. Pretty sure there is a lot more.
And let me remind you. ADC supposed to be about sustained DMG. For that they have lethal tempo and press the attack. Some of them cant even live without fleet footwork.
Are you gonna say that many of them will make better use of this mastery than of what they have atm? By your logic they totally should.
MuffledGarbage1 votes
Riot said he's an AP marksmen
He's listed in the "Marksmen" category of champions
Everything you said is a complete bullshit. So im not gonna bother even refuting you. Only in recent patch locket got nerf to its values by 50%. And its not the first nerf. If thats a love tap for you then someone should call police on you for domestic violence.
Locket got it's BASE VALUE cut in half. The BASE VALUE is a love tap when you consider that the champs that use Locket are going to be forced into building higher health builds
The change to Locket was a nerf to the enchanter class because Locket gave them an extra 2000-health shield when they clearly didn't need it
Check patch history on items or champions.
I did. You apparently haven't
Sona was nerfed so recently that they even buffed her in previous patch cuz she was left in complete shit.
Yeah, and BEFORE Sona was nerfed, she wasn't touched for a LOOOOOOOONG time
Do you understand what that means?
That means that before Sona WAS TOUCHED UPON she wasn't given any changes for a long time
Azir wants Aery because it's more DPS
Diana wants electrocute over this because it's more burst
Ekko wants elecrocute because ^^^
Noc wants either electrocute, lethal tempo, conqueror, or predator more due to him wanting better burst
Jax wants Conqueror so that tanks don't trash him(and that so can get past most shield effectiveness)
Yi wants Conqueror more than new rune because it increases his damage output by 20000%
Mordekaiser wants Aery due to his ultimate and the need to burst people down. The new rune won't help him proc his Q because without movement speed the 2nd and third attack are always going to be walked away from
Tahm kench takes glacial augment because he can perma-slow enemies even harder than what he already does. The new rune does nothing except give Tahm more damage, something that Tahm doesn't care about
Twisted fate would actually take this rune to the SAME effectiveness as lethal tempo but for a less effective build than Electrocute
GJ you listed ONE champ who MIGHT actually take the new rune: Twisted Fate
And let me remind you. ADC supposed to be about sustained DMG. For that they have lethal tempo and press the attack. Some of them cant even live without fleet footwork.
Let me remind you, ADCs have been the win or lose conditions of teams since Ardent censor season(arguably further but the Ardent season is the one that is undebatable)
ADCs have the most items tailored to every style of play for the ADC class
ADCs got an entire rune-tree dedicated to give SPECIFICALLY ADCs RUNES THAT THEY COULD SYNERGIZE WITH WELL while literally every other class got runes that were less-dedicated to every type of champ within a class
Mages didn't get 3 keystones that benefit Mages most, they got runes that fit ANY GENERIC CHAMP
Assassins didn't get 3 keystones that benefit Assassins most, they got 1 keystone that benefits most of them, One keystone that doesn't even work with most assassins(Predator), and one keystone that is counter-intuitive to the earlygame playstyle of most Assassins(Dark harvest)
Tanks didn't get 3 keystones that benefit Tanks most, they got 1 keystone that benefits Tanks immensely for hitting CC, one keystone that benefits Fighters WAY moreso than tanks, and one keystone that only works for supports
Most champs in the game don't even have a rune that synergizes with them well, they just take the generalist Sorcery runes and call it good
Are you gonna say that many of them will make better use of this mastery than of what they have atm? By your logic they totally should.
ADCs are going to make better use of the new keystone if they have ANY reliance on frontloaded burst(I.E.: 
)
Why is that?
it's because those champs want to delete enemies as fast as possible with their frontload burst and hope that the enemy didn't lifesteal through the damage
will any class besides ADCs use this rune?
Not to the same power-level that ADCs are going to use the rune next patch, and not with any sort of viability, but yes. SOMEONE will think it's a good idea on Yi before seeing their winrate drop because they can't deal with tanks
Also I should mention that the fact that you've used insults lowers your credibility in this argument by a ton. Insults used in arguments also show how low your intelligence level is due to the fact that you didn't let your argument speak for itself
GJ on the faulty argument
remakoro2 votesYa know. Teemo is very assassin like and he also shows up for me when i press Supports during champion select. Does it make him support?
Locket got it's BASE VALUE cut in half. The BASE VALUE is a love tap when you consider that the champs that use Locket are going to be forced into building higher health builds
It seems you actually have no idea what you are talking about. Locket had Base value nerfed. Max scaling from hp nerfed. Cd nerfed. If you cant even check patch notes do i have to read this wall of text?
Yeah, and BEFORE Sona was nerfed, she wasn't touched for a LOOOOOOOONG time Do you understand what that means? That means that before Sona WAS TOUCHED UPON she wasn't given any changes for a long time
Yes. It means that you either ignorant or doing this on purpose. 7.22 new runes introduced 7.22 sona nerfed in hotfix. Holy shit that took quite long didnt it? 7.24 some more nerf actually turning her in complete pile of shit. Since then she received 2 small buffs. To mana cost on Q (still higher than it were before nerfs even through they cut all kinds of base dmg on it) And that 5dmg buff in previous patch.
Ah yea. And she was getting nerfs from time to time even before that.
All that shit you said about who might and who might not use that rune. Its you know... Your opinion. How special you have to be to say that champion that by your own admission wants more burst would pick lethal tempo over mastery that would give him that attack speed burst at the start of the combat? Exactly dude. Thats rune for burst. Not for dps. Same for Tahm. Yes he can use glacial augment... But what if i prefer to get 3 stacks fast and eat him instead of slowing my opponent? Same for morde. Some use aery yes. And some use phase rush. And... Hmmm if you want burst... Do you know how his Q works?
Most champs in the game don't even have a rune that synergizes with them well, they just take the generalist Sorcery runes and call it good
And thats why you argue that we should not have new keystone that would suit better some champions than what we have today? Hmmmm
Also I should mention that the fact that you've used insults lowers your credibility in this argument by a ton.
You are from NA so im not surprised that you see insult in every word. But i actually didnt even try to insult you in previous messages. I wanted in this one after your amazing reply but i went with something much milder... I advice you to seek professional help. Mb they can give you some meds to boost your self esteem or something.
MuffledGarbage1 votesYa know. Teemo is very assassin like and he also shows up for me when i press Supports during champion select. Does it make him support?
Teemo's considered an AP marksmen by 99.999999% of league's playerbase
you're in the 0.00001% here
It seems you actually have no idea what you are talking about. Locket had Base value nerfed. Max scaling from hp nerfed. Cd nerfed. If you cant even check patch notes do i have to read this wall of text? Do you understand what that means?
Source?
That means that before Sona WAS TOUCHED UPON she wasn't given any changes for a long time
Yes. It means that you either ignorant or doing this on purpose. 7.22 new runes introduced 7.22 sona nerfed in hotfix. Holy shit that took quite long didnt it? 7.24 some more nerf actually turning her in complete pile of shit. Since then she received 2 small buffs. To mana cost on Q (still higher than it were before nerfs even through they cut all kinds of base dmg on it) And that 5dmg buff in previous patch.
Ah yea. And she was getting nerfs from time to time even before that.
Ok that was patch... 7.24
we are in patch WHAT NOW?
8.9
HMMMMMMMMMMM
All that shit you said about who might and who might not use that rune. Its you know... Your opinion. How special you have to be to say that champion that by your own admission wants more burst would pick lethal tempo over mastery that would give him that attack speed burst at the start of the combat? Exactly dude. Thats rune for burst. Not for dps. Same for Tahm. Yes he can use glacial augment... But what if i prefer to get 3 stacks fast and eat him instead of slowing my opponent? Same for morde. Some use aery yes. And some use phase rush. And... Hmmm if you want burst... Do you know how his Q works?
Lethal tempo gives Yi more DPS and burst than the new rune
Reddit and Discord Tahm Kench players say they probably wouldn't consider the new rune viable on him
Morde is NEVER GOING to hit 3 OF HIS Q's IN A ROW ON A SINGLE CHAMPION EVEN WITH THE NEW RUNE
Morde's base-attack speed is so awful that the new rune will give him at BEST 2 Q's before the third hit is either wasted OR he has to flash for it. Both things that other runes covered PERFECTLY
And thats why you argue that we should not have new keystone that would suit better some champions than what we have today? Hmmmm
The new rune only falls under the same category for ADC runes where it only majorly benefits ADCs but leaves most other champs in the dust
You are from NA so im not surprised that you see insult in every word. But i actually didnt even try to insult you in previous messages. I wanted in this one after your amazing reply but i went with something much milder... I advice you to seek professional help. Mb they can give you some meds to boost your self esteem or something.
"Everything you said is a complete bullshit. So im not gonna bother even refuting you" "if thats a love tap for you then someone should call police on you for domestic violence"
you literally said someone should call the police on me and that everything I said is so stupid that it's not worth refuting
Both of those are insults no matter what kind of spin you want to put on those statements
Not to mention "Mb they can give you some meds to boost your self esteem or something" is entirely making fun of people who are mentally ill
"didn't try to insult you" my ass. Those are clear insults. Why you lying like that?
MuffledGarbage1 voteslmao when you're literally the one downvoting all of my arguments and you're inferring I'm toxic
remakoro1 voteslmao when you're literally the one downvoting all of my arguments and you're calling me toxic
Sasogwa2 votesLethal tempo gives Yi more DPS and burst than the new rune
Ok so no. Lethal tempo gives 0 burst to Yi because it requires 1.5 sec to activate. It gives slightly more DPS than Conqueror's but Conqueror's is the most used by Yi mains, since Ravenous hunter heals on it and every on-hit in the build. Go check Yimo if you're not sure about what path is the most used for Yi
As fo Hail of blades, it gives more burst obviously but only last 3 autoattacks which is kinda garbage fo Yi
Toxic Diana2 votesVery ironic of you to be calling other peoples opinion "bullshit" when you yourself have no idea what you're talking about.
I cant apeak for the other champions but Diana will not be benifiting from Hail of Blades. The item goes on cooldown unless she stops attacking which diana doesnt do because she needs to proc her passives.
Pleaae do some research before running your mouth lmao.
VoraciousX1 votes[{quoted}](name=Toxic Diana,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=H9FXEbAw,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-05-11T06:53:34.996+0000)
Very ironic of you to be calling other peoples opinion "bullshit" when you yourself have no idea what you're talking about.
I cant apeak for the other champions but Diana will not be benifiting from Hail of Blades. The item goes on cooldown unless she stops attacking which diana doesnt do because she needs to proc her passives.
Pleaae do some research before running your mouth lmao.
It's a 3 hit proc, then you have to back out for 2.5 seconds. If you're not using Electrocute(which probably would be better than Hail of Blades honestly, BUT this rune is for 3 hit passives mostly). The goal with Hail of Blades on Diana would be to go in, get your 3 autos(or however many you need on the enemy to proc your passive) and back out, or just kill them if you can after you get your passive off. The problem is this rune is really bad honestly. It's goal is to give a 3 hit passive proc faster starting off, but other runes offer more damage than one 3 hit passive proc, so you're kinda wasting your time if you pick this with almost anyone. All ADCs are gonna be using is Fleet Footwork because it gives too much kiting ability. Even with the nerf that got reverted for now, I suspect they'll still take fleet footwork over any other rune unless they're MF/Draven. It WOULD BE a good rune for Kai'Sa, but she needs the movement speed from Fleet Footwork too much, because she can't get out after she pops her passive, unlike with Fleet Footwork where she can kite all day long. Ekko would use this, if he didn't already have an easy way to proc his passive considering he doesn't have to only use auto attacks to proc it. Gnar could use it, but I feel like glacial augment or a tankier rune would be more useful on him. Everyone who COULD POTENTIALLY use this rune, aren't likely to take it because they have better options. Outside of Darius, because fast bleed stacks. He may actually use it.
The rune is designed to get one good proc off, which is all Diana usually needs, but electrocute would still deal more damage than one free passive proc.
remakoro2 votesThe rune is designed to get one good proc off, which is all Diana usually needs, but electrocute would still deal more damage than one free passive proc.
Trying to land several AA on someone as casting assassin is kinda derpy but
Hes passive Casting an ability grants Diana 20% / 50% / 60% / 70% / 80% / 90% bonus attack speed for her next 3 basic attacks. Every third basic attack within 3.5 seconds cleaves nearby enemies for 20 - 250 (based on level) (+ 80% AP) bonus Ability power magic damage
Electrocute 50 - 220 (based on level) (+ 50% bonus AD) (+ 30% AP) Attack damageAbility power Adaptive damage.
Electrocute is a lot easier to proc on her.
But even if you forget about AAs dealing dmg by themselves or possibility of diana using 
or 
and any dmg that might come from it.
Proc of her passive will deal more dmg anyway.
Nashor + Passive + Rune will give you over 2,0 AS total.
remakoro1 votes[{quoted}](name=Toxic Diana,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=H9FXEbAw,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-05-11T06:53:34.996+0000)
Very ironic of you to be calling other peoples opinion "bullshit" when you yourself have no idea what you're talking about.
I cant apeak for the other champions but Diana will not be benifiting from Hail of Blades. The item goes on cooldown unless she stops attacking which diana doesnt do because she needs to proc her passives.
Pleaae do some research before running your mouth lmao.
I know you are keen on defending some random dude cuz he has similar opinion with yours but you dont have to embarrass yourself. Read his posts first. He is very good at contradicting himself or being complete lunatic.
Can Diana benefit from it or not is none of my business cuz im not playing Diana at all but for some reason half of damn forum remembers her first when talking about this rune. Thats gotta get you thinking. Keystones aint supposed to be so OP that you wont even consider taking something else. I simply named several champion on which you might at least consider using it. If it does not suit your playstyle or your imaginary meta it does not mean someone else wont say - "hey that pretty good!"
Dead flag blues2 votesSure dude. Braum aint even at 50% winrate? Have nerf. Sona got good deal out of new runes? Fucking obliterated. Karma being karma? Nerf. People getting one shot? Better nerf locket so hard that it would give even less shield than before it became decaying.
And new keystone isnt even meant for adc ffs. And many AP champions might actually benefit from it.
"many"
KZ Engel2 votesyi can really only run 2 keystones optimally.. conq and harvest
Sharkeshia Hoshi1 votesBECAUSE AND META BABBBBYYYY
and it's an indirect buff to 
Killer of Night91 votes[{quoted}](name=Sharkeshia Hoshi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=H9FXEbAw,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-05-09T22:09:17.456+0000)
BECAUSE
and it's an indirect buff to
I think ekko like better elettroshock. Pta maybe is better on kindred because it amp ally damage.
Micronova1 votesHail of Blades is only the third AS rune we have, and of those three, two are keystones and are thus mutually exclusive anyway.
As of Nimbus Cloak, we're up to ten different runes that can boost movement speed.
