@Riot: Will Ryze be included in the immobile mages update?

Fat Bastard GOD·Feb 20, 2016·5 votes·3,406 views

Ryze is in a pretty poor state as of now. Wondering if you guys are including him in the update or have future plans to balance him.

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RiotMeddlerFeb 20, 20167 votes

No, we'll be working on Ryze, balance adjustments at the very least, sooner than that.

PhantomGGFeb 20, 20162 votes

When you guys did the adc and the juggernaut patches you always had one champion that got a major change that was larger then the majority of his/her fellow champions

For the adc patch this was graves

For the juggernaut patch it was mordekaiser

Any news on which mage will be given the most love during the mage patch?

If that is currently staff only info I completely understand.

Best of luck in doing what you do.

FikuleFeb 20, 20161 votes

Since malzahar is the only one with a dedicated thread, my guess is him.

KhâmulFeb 20, 20166 votes

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When you guys did the adc and the juggernaut patches you always had one champion that got a major change that was larger then the majority of his/her fellow champions

For the adc patch this was graves

For the juggernaut patch it was mordekaiser

Any news on which mage will be given the most love during the mage patch?

If that is currently staff only info I completely understand.

Best of luck in doing what you do.

I won't call "love" the think they've done to mordekaiser XD

Fat Bastard GODFeb 21, 20161 votes

Will Ryze be getting any splash art updates? VGU?

AbyssphereFeb 21, 20162 votes

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Will Ryze be getting any splash art updates? VGU?

No. If he was getting splash are updates any time soon they'd have said that. And if he gets a VGU it'll be next year at the very earliest.

Fat Bastard GODFeb 21, 20161 votes

I don't think you are Meddler ;)

OneSmoothDudeFeb 21, 20161 votes

It's true, he's not Meddler, but he's probably right all the same. There are bits and pieces that various Rioters have told us over the past month or so that leads us to think both of those are gonna be a no.

A short while ago there was a thread where people working on re-doing some splash arts specified 3-5 champs that were at the top of their list (Trundle, Nidalee I think...can't remember the rest). Ryze wasn't among them. In that same thread they also said they're going to focus redoing splash arts on champs that are receiving game updates--which, Meddler said that Ryze isn't getting one of those. So while we can't rule that out 100%, it looks unlikely.

And about the VGU, again, it's doubtful. The team has said that they're shying away from "mid-tier" updates (like Shen, Fiora, GP) in favor of more of the Sion-level updates. They've announced that Taric's coming before the mid-year mage update, and then Yorick will be after that, and they're optimistic about having another one fit inside 2016. Now, this might be Ryze, but I wouldn't bet on it. There are other champs that are in a worse position than Ryze is currently, especially considering Meddler has said that they already have balance-sized changes for Ryze. He's probably hoping these will help put him into a decent spot so he doesn't need any more updates for awhile.

ExecutorDillFeb 22, 20161 votes

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No, we'll be working on Ryze, balance adjustments at the very least, sooner than that.

What about TF meddler? What's your take on his position? I don't like that he's countered by everone who has a gap closer and is easily shoved out of lane by other immobile champs like Lux Syndra Veigar . I think he needs a bit of love.

I'd like if he was better at "Kiting" seeing as he has to go extremelsy close to get to a use his stun. Perhaps a small burst movespeed for landing his Q like ahri? Maybe do something cool with his E ability like give it 50 range (I know TF players will just try to use it with W but atleast it makes new players more aware of stacking E before going in as it feels like it doesn't do much early to mid game and isn't really noticeable).

PhantomGGFeb 20, 20161 votes

I doubt it considering he got a full rework just recently

DanjengFeb 20, 2016

Yes, but his kit was considered very toxic (permasnare has little counterplay), so they're at it again. He's definitely going to be rebalanced by making some major changes to him.

OneSmoothDudeFeb 21, 20162 votes

The 6.3 changes were actually really huge in making Ryze more balanceable.

His two biggest (but not only) problems balance-wise are the permasnare and the how hard it is to balance a champ with such a huge gap in performance between high- and low-level Ryze players. The 6.3 changes fix permasnare by simply allowing fewer spells during his passive, including fewer snares. Easy enough.

The 6.3 changes also decreased the skill gap by lowering how many spells he can throw out. With the maximum amount of spells normalized and no longer dependent on how mechanically skilled each player is, it will be much easier to balance him for all levels.

I think this is why Meddler thinks Ryze will only need balance adjustments. 6.3 put him on the right path; now they can fine-tune his numbers and go from there.

DanjengFeb 22, 2016

I hear that they'll be moving back up the base damage on Overload. With the spell cap in place, I personally think they could revert the nerfs to Rune Prison's duration, since he can no longer permasnare (he can only bust out two Rune Prison's in a combo now, correct me if I'm wrong), along with the nerfs to spell flux.

This patch doesn't make him easier to play, but lowers his damage potential for those who are very skilled at him, which could be a step in the right direction. Some of the high level Ryze mains aren't happy with this however.