Ryze no longer has a real "identity" (patch 6.3)

Fat Bastard GOD·Feb 19, 2016·16 votes·1,878 views

Ryze is supposed to be a DPS Mage and now resides as a bursty Mage. Ryze's identity is supposed to be a machine gun Mage, but they capped his passive, making him much less rewarding.

Riot could have nerfed his kit in other ways, heck change his snare to a slow. They could even nerf the snaring time considering how many times he could cast it. They should change it. It's the most problematic part of his kit. Instead, they decided to stop him pretty much completely by capping his spell resets. I hope Riot considers reworking Ryze's W, and reverting his passive cap (chances of them reverting are very low).

I really do miss mastering Ryze, learning his mechanics, and becoming a huge threat to the enemy team.

/rant

21 Comments

Samflash3Feb 19, 20165 votes

Cassiopeia I feel your pain...

EmollientNut0Feb 19, 20163 votes

Welcome to Riot Games, we give champs cool identities and take it away. Shen

Starfish HFeb 19, 20162 votes

Shen was never a sustain tank. He just had a Q that just gave him a small heal. He was always a tank that could peel and had global pressure.

Vistha KaiFeb 20, 20162 votes

Whose Lane Is It Anyway?

ReaperSheeperFeb 19, 20162 votes

really....he is really broken rn you can get his ult to a 16 second cooldown and with all your spell casts it will be right back up when its over

Fat Bastard GODFeb 19, 20161 votes

He could do the same before... Except now he can barely do any chains

Meep ManFeb 19, 20162 votes

To me, they can bring Ryze into two directions:

Arcane Combo Mage
Arcane Burst Mage

What's the difference? Combos are more about executing certain combos to fit the situation. If they are high on health, Combo A. If they are low, Combo B. If they are moderate, Combo C. If they are on the offensive, Combo D. That's a combo mage.

Burst Mages usually have one poke skill that they spam to get you low then have one, maybe two, combos to kill you.

I would prefer Combo Mage since we have a lot of Burst Mages. A Mage that relies on comboing abilities together would be great. Pre-nerf Ryze was half-way there, but not quite.

Gunslinger744Feb 19, 20161 votes

Link to the nerfs please, I love playing Ryze.

Fat Bastard GODFeb 19, 20161 votes

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-63-notes

Here is what they stated

" Ryze Passive capped at 5 spellcasts. Ult cooldown lowered.

To put it lightly, the discrepancy between a new Ryze player and a Ryze veteran is staggering. Not unlike Alistar's changes above, Ryze is often balanced around what he's capable of doing rather than what he does realistically with those 5 seconds of Supercharge. With the long-term goal of finding a sustainable balance state for Ryze long-term, we're starting off by giving him a clearly defined and achievable 'best case' for Arcane Mastery. With a hard cap in place, we can follow-up by making the rest of Ryze's kit work within that band - like focusing Ryze's mastery around how many times you can enter (and optimize) Supercharge, instead of just cramming spell combos into one rotation. There's lots to adjust going forward, but this is a necessary first step if Ryze is ever to get off the wild balance rollercoaster he's been on for a while. Passive - Arcane Mastery DURATION Now lasts for 5 spell casts or 2.5-5 seconds (based on rank of Q - Overload). R - Desperate Power COOLDOWN 80/60/40 seconds ⇒ 50/40/30 seconds "

mason waterFeb 19, 20161 votes

i was going to buy ryze before the update because i had recently learned about how awesome quick cast is, but now after the rework i dont really want to buy 1/4th of a champ edit: seeing his price, i dont want to play 1/8th of a champ

ElindisFeb 19, 20161 votes

Ryze was THE burst mage back before his first rework :3

MrBuffingtonFeb 19, 20161 votes

I think this is a pre-rework gutting. They said they want to work on him some more, I think that means another rework sometime between now and the mage update

Vistha KaiFeb 20, 20161 votes

They said they want to work on him some more, I think that means another rework.

Look how well it turned out for Karma and Cassiopeia.

MrBuffingtonFeb 20, 20161 votes

third time's the charm? lol

Vistha KaiFeb 21, 20161 votes

If they fire the entire Balance team prior to the "third time" then... yeah, maybe.

SaiannaFeb 19, 20161 votes

Ryze is supposed to be a DPS Mage and now resides as a bursty Mage. Ryze's identity is supposed to be a machine gun Mage, but they capped his passive, making him much less rewarding.

I know you don't know so I'll tell you.

Looong, looong time ago, looooong before Darius, loooong before evelynn failed rework changing her into a tank, when Ryze wasn't reworked even once, he the blue papa smurf used to be bursty super-short ranged mage. And he was all about stacking mana.

Back then there were no "tank ryze" "dps ryze" "rice ryze". There was just Ryze with 6 archangels. Just that, nothing more.

And I really am sad that you guys toss out fake "identities" that some Rioter made up, that have nothing with a champion and go ith "that's how this X champion always been~~~~", NO. I disagree. NO.

MunchCrunchLunchFeb 19, 20161 votes

good

PeJaYFeb 19, 20161 votes

just nerf his snare, heck they could even remove it at this point. I'd much rather play ryze with no snare than play ryze without the one aspect that makes him enjoyable to play.

Lying From YouFeb 20, 20161 votes

Since the patch they literally destroyed his entire kit. He is not anymore the Steroid Caster .. they could have nerfed all the damages of his spells and even change his W to a Slow spell like you said but instead they put a spell cap. Literally the worst thing that could have happened to any Ryze main and players that have really put efforts to learn that champion.

Btw sorry my poor english.

ofartFeb 20, 20161 votes

Ryze alternates between two identities. He is now in the "i am very bad and exist as a placeholder" identity. A few months ago, he was in the "i will faceroll you and exist to make sure you realize why bans matter." The only time I'd pick Ryze now is if I misclicked and my cat jumped on my computer to lock it in.

DanjengFeb 20, 20161 votes

I agree. Ryze is supposed to build up power, then unleash it when he activates his passive. it's similar to Gnar. Now, with five spell casts, It isn't a "supercharged" state anymore.

I wish that instead of complaining about how a champion is overpowered, summoners spent their time understanding the champion. The stacks of Arcane Mastery were made visible for counterplay. Don't jump into Ryze when he can activate it!

I don't like that Ryze was considered no-skill-face-roll garbage right after the rework, then became broken OP after being played in LCS and pro play. I wonder if he wasn't used by Faker, Ryze would still be thought of as a low level champion, and then would have never been nerfed :(

Remember: Engage Ryze RIGHT AFTER Arcane Mastery ends, not when he's building up before.