Finally giving in to the Vayne hate!

Raid Boss Morde·Sep 23, 2015·28 votes·1,714 views

After witnessing this Vayne 1v3 part of our team TWICE, I'm done. Please, just please, hit her mobility. An ADC is supposed to be strong, but not strong enough to fight all on her own against half an enemy team. Most ADCs need a support or a team to peel for them so they can put out their damage... Vayne has self-peel on a very low cd (2 sec tumble?), invisibility to make it even harder to hit her, and a knockback + stun in case you do get close. I don't even care about her damage at this point, it's her safety/mobility.

Also, if she lands an auto on you, GL. You're dead, because while she's chasing you, she gets a bunch of movement speed on top of her low cd tumble to stick on you.

Don't nerf her true damage, nerf her mobilty...

40 Comments

EedatSep 23, 201513 votes

Makes a thread complaining about Vayne Name is literally raid Boss Morde

Raid Boss MordeSep 24, 20152 votes

Don't worry, I've always had a slight hatred for Vayne since last year, and my first main was Malzahar. So I'm not that biased, considering Malzahar counters Vayne pretty hard.

Celeste BenalSep 24, 20151 votes

Relevancy?

SerevasSep 23, 20158 votes

Welcome, the support group is at 8pm.

SerenitaeSep 23, 20153 votes

Once she gets ahead you cant stop her and every game Vayne sigh.. = League of ~~Draven~~ Vayne

QuantumLightSep 23, 20153 votes

all this is only true if shes ahead.... and shes really easy to bully in lane.

not to mention pulling off 1v3s is really hard, unless your ahead. and if your ahead, you could probubly 1v3 with almost anyone.

OnanThaManSep 23, 20152 votes

Look at twitch, that is what easy to bully in lane is, not the crap people call Vayne's "weak" early game. Face it, her early game isn't "weak" anymore, it's average.

Kitten of EvilSep 23, 20153 votes

She is not really easy to bully. She's got a decent 550 attack range, and can dodge skillshots with Q. 6s cooldown at level 1, and a pitiful 30 mana cost, but she's probably going to level it first. Plus, 90% of the action in bot lane early game is support-driven.

Raid Boss MordeSep 24, 20151 votes

This Vayne had 9 kills, I had 7. Along with my other two teammates, we couldn't beat her.

JhomasTeffersonSep 25, 20151 votes

I can be ahead with most champs and not 1v3.

Yasuo and yi are the only ones that come to mind, and one cc, and they die. The same is true for vayne, but she can use invisibility to get away if something does go wrong and she's not focused down before the cc ends.

Yas needs to land his tornado on at least 2 for me to 1v3 unless i'm very ahead.

Yi needs to hit the someone, q to dodge any incoming cc, hope that after killing their highest damage person that w is enough to stop him from being bursted, then keep going.

Quil EvrythingSep 23, 20152 votes

Just like nasus and veigar, she's weak early game. Stomp on her early game, and she isnt so much of a problem. Dont do that.. and you deserve what you get.

MCBiggah99Sep 23, 20155 votes

Contrary to popular belief, Vayne has a fine early game; her midgame is bad; and her late-game is godlike, so you're incorrect with that statement about her early.

Also, the "stomp early, no problem late" argument is so general, executing it is the hard part.

SymbolicFearSep 23, 20151 votes

Agreed, her Early Game is pretty good, and if she only slightly gets ahead, she skips her stall in mid-game and can jump right into godly late game.

The main reason her early game is so good is that Condemn lasts the same amount of time throughout the entire game, if she lands it on you at any point in the game, you are done cause it lasts soooo long that she can proc Silver Bolts twice as you try to get away.

PennsSep 23, 20151 votes

"Weak early game" "Just like Nasus" kappa

JhomasTeffersonSep 25, 20151 votes

I've seen vaynes go 0/11/5, then, even if we stomp everything, if we didn't win before she gets full build, we lose. That's not true about nasus or veigar. Stomp them hard enough early, and it doesn't matter if they make it to lategame.

JhomasTeffersonSep 23, 20152 votes

Yeah, adc's with self peel are op.

A Miss FortuneSep 24, 20152 votes

I don't think having self peel on an ADC makes them OP, but when It's on a low cooldown, low mana cost, on an already extremely high damage output ADC with 3 auto attack steroids (Vayne's Q bonus, W passive, and Ult bonus) then something's wrong. Her invisibility/tumble and her knockback/stun make her too safe and she doesn't need a lot of peel like other ADCs (Ashe, Miss Fortune, Sivir) need.

JhomasTeffersonSep 25, 20151 votes

You didn't even mention her e. The knock back is definitely peel too.

disregardableSep 23, 20152 votes

Play an assassin. You can't cry that her kit is successfully doing what it's intended to do. If Darius is allowed to walk up and 1v5 penta kill a whole team, Vayne is allowed to be safe and have self-peel.

Raid Boss MordeSep 23, 20152 votes

I've never seen a Darius walk up and 1v5 though. I have seen Vayne do it... but not Darius. He wouldn't be able to get a penta, because he can't catch people who run.

disregardableSep 23, 20155 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFYY6f4QiLM

there you go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NatubjUfEM

and there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lScKrdBbLGs

and then faker played him

Raid Boss MordeSep 23, 20152 votes

They seem fed... and Faker...

That Murphys LawSep 24, 20151 votes

The Ahri walked walked closer than her auto range to throw her ball why? Lulu not using her cc on Darius instead going for making the already blinking fox faster? Sion missing pretty much everything (along with no ahri charm/lulu polymorph.) Ezreal arcane shifted INTO pull range, and Yasuo was late to the party and actually got off some decent damage but against a fed Darius with Noxian Might, one competent player on a champ not designed to fight Darius isn't enough.
Gnar and Cassiopea missed all their cc. Cassiopea didn't ult until half her teammates died and auto attacked Darius instead of kiting. Ezreal ran away when 1/2 more autos from him would have done it depending on build/crit.
Azir failed his dash and never ulted, and Darius's teammates cc'd everyone else in a 5v3 against, a Nunu and Braum(who's dps don't even make soraka jealous) and a Karthus (who got hooked and blapped before accomplishing anything)

Is Darius's passive to strong? Maybe.

Do edge case videos of drunk summoners against overweight juggernauts and a 5v4 with Darius on the 5 prove he's op? No.

Raid Boss MordeSep 24, 20153 votes

I didn't even watch the videos because I knew it wasn't very "legit". Like you listed, these Darius players got pentas because their enemies made huge mistakes, not because he's OP.

disregardableSep 24, 20151 votes

That's rite boyz, Vayne does well cuz she's OP, Darius has 90% banrate cuz people make mistakes.

Raid Boss MordeSep 24, 20151 votes

Darius has a 90% banrate because people have no idea what they're doing in the banning phase. They hear that everyone is banning certain champs, so they go and ban: Darius, Garen, Mordekaiser, Fiora, ect.

Funny thing is, these champions all have average winrates, and Mordekaiser is now below 50%. Once Kindred comes out, or a new rework is released, then everyone will be banning them.

disregardableSep 24, 20151 votes

Darius average winrate+96% PBR means he's fine. Vayne average winrate+40 some % PBR means she's broken.

LOGIC BOYZ VAYNE OP LEL

Raid Boss MordeSep 24, 20151 votes

51% winrate, that isn't broken ._. Vayne has a 50% or so winrate while being the most played champ though.

KONO RUBICK DASep 24, 20151 votes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFYY6f4QiLM

there you go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NatubjUfEM

and there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lScKrdBbLGs

and then faker played him

so, they played badly and got smited. Rekt

meanwhile you can do nothing to destroy vayne while darius has 15 counterplays

Chuck CharlesSep 23, 20152 votes

you got outplayed. better nerf that champion so they can't outplay you. huehue.

a champion has no counterplay because they are point and click. better nerf that champion. huehue.

JhomasTeffersonSep 25, 20151 votes

They shouldn't be able to outplay 5 people at the same time.

Sakura MirageSep 23, 20151 votes

Holy shit she isn't getting nerfed before the marksmen updates stop with these useless threads

Raid Boss MordeSep 23, 201511 votes

It's not a useless thread, I'm just letting out my hate for her. I don't think ADCs should be able to 1v3. They should require a team to help them fight.

IcyPepperSep 23, 20158 votes

They should require a team to help them fight.

Finally someone else who thinks that ADC's should not be able to 1v1 everybody at every phase of the game :V

A Miss FortuneSep 24, 20151 votes

ADCs should be able to 1v3, and I've gotten plenty of pentakills with ADCs by 1v5'ing, but it should definitely because they're extremely ahead in gold and do extremely well with that champion.

Tired of seeing every other Vayne player go 0-20, finish BoRK, and then 1v5 like It's nothing.

Mister MackeySep 23, 20151 votes

Quinn you're welcome

KeevalroySep 23, 20151 votes

Revert the 5.14 Tumble buff and the range buff to Blade of the Ruined King. That's what pushed her over the edge.

Poof.

Gunslinger744Sep 24, 20151 votes

I used to be against Vayne nerfs, but after having seen her 5 games in a row. Effortlessly coming back from 0/3, 0/6 and even once 0/11. And I'm just losing my tolerance for it. Her only counter seems to be Draven to an extent. But that's where it ends.