As the title says, it feels strange to me that there is an item that gives attack damage and magic resist, but none that grants attack damage and armor.
Or would I be answering my own question if Dead Man's Plate is the item for that?
kJs13 votesUntil I get a knowledgeable Diamond + player to tell me otherwise, I think it mainly has to do with letting ADCs carry games. Not allowed to get AD + Armor because that would be a big nerf to ADCs and a huge buff to well scalling AD juggernauts (Darius) and well scalling AD bruisers (Irelia). It would be too strong of an item against ADCs but minimal effects against others.
The closest thing we have to an AD + Defense item is:
Which gives a but ton of health decent amount of armor and an AA modifier that does physical damage, which isn't AD but it's close enough.
EDIT: The fact that Riot didn't put an AD+Armor item with the juggernaut update indicates that they're actively avoiding such an item.
Ionian1 votesImo I think it's because such an item would just make top lane extremely boring. Since top is usually tanky AD champion vs tanky AD champion, everyoneeeeeee would rush that item (or get it 2nd/3rd) and it would just end up being a farm lane with 0 interaction between players. Can't make #LCSbigplays if both top laners are just afk csing.
kJs10 votesTrue damage says, "No!" to passive farming.
True damage doesn't give a fuck about armor.
Llanite1 votesAnd how many champs have true dmg? 4 over 157?
Bârd3 voteswell, there ARE more
(for now)
Squidblimp1 votesOlaf, Volibear, Master Yi, Darius.
Bârd5 votesDarius was mentioned earlier in the thread, Volibear has no true damage (physical on Q and W, magic on E and R)
Squidblimp2 votesOh really? Never played Voli but I thought he had true damage. Huh. The more you know. So his bite isn't true damage then?
Anyway, also Garen does situational true damage.
Yosuke Apperu1 votesThe problem is and are running rampant top lane. Bot lane has a vayne in it 8\10 games. So honestly it's way more than it seems.
EndlessSorcerer2 votesPeople would probably still get it against Fiora and Vayne since the majority of their damage is physical and their true damage is based on a percentage of your max health.
firsttimerop6661 votesTrue damage says, "No!" to passive farming. True damage doesn't give a fuck about armor.
im not seing irelia
Magearna1 votesNot necessarily. It's as someone in a different thread said: "If everything is broken, then nothing is broken!"
Your case would be the same. If both top laners build the item and are left to an island, it's essentially the same as if neither top laner built it.
kJs pretty much hit the nail on the head.
ChaoticPinecone1 votesJust think about that statement and you know its not true.
For an extreme example, imagine Maokai and Shen both with 
fighting it out toplane. That situation is very different than a Maokai and Shen fighting with 0 items.
Just because the same items are built doesnt mean that its "essentially the same" as if they had no items.
Magearna1 votesI meant in the most simplest of cases. Of course there are differences.
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Imo I think it's because such an item would just make top lane extremely boring. Since top is usually tanky AD champion vs tanky AD champion, everyoneeeeeee would rush that item (or get it 2nd/3rd) and it would just end up being a farm lane with 0 interaction between players. Can't make #LCSbigplays if both top laners are just afk csing.
That seems strange... there shouldn't be any problem with farming for 25 minutes, having one fight and then winning the game - that's how hard carries work generally.
Ionian1 votesYeah, and nobody likes them.
Sasogwa1 votesUntil I get a knowledgeable Diamond + player to tell me otherwise, I think it mainly has to do with letting ADCs carry games. Not allowed to get AD + Armor because that would be a big nerf to ADCs and a huge buff to well scalling AD juggernauts (Darius) and well scalling AD bruisers (Irelia). It would be too strong of an item against ADCs but minimal effects against others.
The closest thing we have to an AD + Defense item is:
EDIT: The fact that Riot didn't put a an AD+Armor item with the juggernaut update indicates that they're actively avoiding such an item.
I really don't think so. You can get 1 AD item + 1 tank item or invent 2 AD+armor items, ADC's would still be overlords lategame. When it was removed, Atmas was garbage. When it was strong, tanks were actually tanky, there wasn't %health everywhere and hypercarries with a good laning phase that completely melt you on sight.
ViashinoWizard1 votesAtma's was garbage on purpose, because it couldn't be cost-efficient without being overpowered.
Sasogwa1 votesAtma's was garbage on purpose, because it couldn't be cost-efficient without being overpowered.
Do you realize what you're saying? Talking about an item that only gives raw stats. Can't be good without being OP. How about finding the mathematical limit? Also it's completely wrong. When atma's was garbage, botrk was there. Why would you want 40ish AD when you can get botrk as an offensive item and deal much more damage, lifesteal off it etc. The little bit of armor Atma gave didn't change crap. As I said, Atma's was good when tanks were tanky and %health damage wasn't a thing. When they started not being tanky anymore, who cares you have atma? You could have old atma's, it wouldn't change a thing. Who cares you have a little bit of damage based on your health when damage based on opponent's health is just stronger, sometimes even on carries. Titanic Hydra, which is the successor of Atma's isn't even that good. Black cleaver is much more broken. Nah, Atma's would actually need INSANE stats to compete with current items and current meta. It would have to be incredibly cost-efficient.
Atma's was actually really good design because it was bad as a rush item and the problem with AD+armor is the potential rush in lane to beat your opponent easily/ give too much strength.
ViashinoWizard2 votesGo and read why Riot removed it from the game. It's not just that it gave AD and Armor, it's that the AD scaled off of health.
Sasogwa2 votesGo and read why Riot removed it from the game. It's not just that it gave AD and Armor, it's that the AD scaled off of health.
Nope. That's what retards said after it was removed, not at all the reasons why it was removed. Guys that wanna change the past to their liking such as you annoy me profoundly. It was one of the garbage items nobody used anymore except as a fun item on some rare champions (Garen, old AD sion) and was removed... because it was garbage and not played.
We realized in the case of each of these items that 'supporting' them or allowing them to continue to exist would simply cause more harm for game health than actual benefits. Either being abusable in edge cases (hello Sword of the Divine Rengar), or being 'trap' items that are rarely (if ever) the correct strategic purchase. Some may return at a later date!
Atma's was the trap item. It just wasn't good enough.
ViashinoWizard1 votesClearly you're unfamiliar with the old (fr)atmog's meta that got Atma's nerfed to a trap item in the first place.
Yosuke Apperu1 votesI wouldn't remove something just because people didn't build it.. if people want to build it let them... don't claim diversity and then keep removing items RIP zephyr. Anyways, Baron is a trap objective (In bronze atlease) I call that we should go take the two open inhibs before we baron if we are going to.. the team doesnt listen and goes to baron just to have it stolen and our team aced.. So I guess baron should be taken out of bronze huh? :P
Sasogwa1 votesI wouldn't remove something just because people didn't build it.. if people want to build it let them... don't claim diversity and then keep removing items RIP zephyr. Anyways, Baron is a trap objective (In bronze atlease) I call that we should go take the two open inhibs before we baron if we are going to.. the team doesnt listen and goes to baron just to have it stolen and our team aced.. So I guess baron should be taken out of bronze huh? :P
Oh I didn't say Riot should remove items because they are not builded. I'm actually against that policy, but it's what they do :s Like they did with a lot of items such as Eleisa's miracle, cloak&dagger, Soul shroud
Yosuke Apperu1 votesIt's all good =] I know you didn't It just annoys me that they take things out like that because they aren't built is their reasoning. I enjoyed Eleisa's miracle! I know Runic bulwark I think they said was too stronk, but I miss that one too lol.. I also wish more items were like new warmogs, where you only get special passives if certain requirements are met. Ex: Warmog's heart only works if if you have 3k or more max hp.
Stiv12347 votesOne word: Bruisers.
BattleOxe5 votesThere was atma's impaler, but it got remowed from SR
Jakra2 votesSR?
Kholdstare133 votesThere was atma's impaler, but it got remowed from SR
It got remowed (removed?) from everything.
L Rayquaza5 votesThere was an old item called Atma's Implaler, it was....well it was broken http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Atma's_Impaler
Jakra1 votesOh god, I'm having nightmares if Darius had hold of that.
L Rayquaza6 votesYou should have seen Sion with it
kaltenashes3 votesGaren Atmog Zilean with Duo Ult in the same fight in both of the duo carries Ap Trynda and Ap Yi
Thoooose were the days my friends
L Rayquaza7 votesWhen 
wasn't just a generic ice troll
Decrit1 votesWhen Trundle was a generic sick troll :P
It Hertz When IP1 votesAt the time it wasn't that great an item.
Mathbalnase2 votesIt was nerfed before it was removed.
Silents4293 votesBruisers.
AD and Armor in 1 item is a toxic combination that would be a balance hell hole on a lot of champions.
Akenero3 voteshttp://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Atma's_Impaler ;_; Rest in peace, my glorious item
Yosuke Apperu1 votesDONT FORGET RUNIC BULWARK <3 Now the only thing I have to be like it is.. 
. I mean it's a trule outrageous item combo but I do miss the item! http://static2.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_super/1551/15516851/2941756-lfs6.png
skyfall6192 votesIdk maybe im dumb but isnt 
kinda the same thing but opposite and its not op?
Punkkee1 votesyes but armor is more multiuse IE. jg monsters does ad. autos do ad. what uses ap? only spells.
Professor Ward1 votesyes but armor is more multiuse IE. jg monsters does ad. autos do ad. what uses ap? only spells.
dont forget tower damage is heavily reduced by armor and not mr as well
Punkkee1 votesyea forgot about that
The Soulforged2 votesriven
Pengod2 votesDid you know there are also no items that give MR and mana?
, but it had its 
component removed long ago.
