Can we take a sec to appreciate WW's new skin? Especially when they show the fact that he's human?

Jakra·Jul 16, 2019·58 votes·17,470 views

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I don't think we're showing enough appreciation for this, especially when this is the first skin of Warwick's that gives some form of a nod to the fact he's actually human. Riot loves to create skins that gives us a completely different universe, whilst fans like skins that gives some reference to their lore.

In this case, they gave a balance of what both sides would like to see! I don't think we're giving Riot enough credit for this, we might have our problems with them but we can't ignore their successes.

57 Comments

SEKAIJul 16, 201926 votes

He WAS human.

FebosJul 16, 201912 votes

He is human. Well, kinda. As human as one can be after being experimented on. Read his biography.

his body is fused with an intricate system of chambers and pumps, machinery filling his veins with alchemical rage.

When his hand was severed in the course of the experiment, Singed was able to reattach it, augmenting it with powerful, pneumatic claw

A chemical chamber was installed on Warwick’s back and integrated with his nervous system.

His claws tore out of his fingers.

Good old Ship of Theseus paradox.

MogarlJul 17, 20191 votes

Eh a Ship of Theseus is replacing all the parts but ending with something identical. Orianna or Viktor have a better run at that (although becoming a machine kinda invalidates it), though a heavily damaged Blitz would probably make the best go at it.

Warwick's more like grafting a pear limb onto an apple tree, and then replanting the whole thing over a nuclear waste storage facility.

JakraJul 16, 20196 votes

Eeehh Details details.. you know what I meant.

[sg-lulu]

BeastDaArvJul 16, 20191 votes

i mean in the project lore i think he is a human with wolf symptoms injected in him causing him to wear a wolf suit to control/contain himself

usul1202Jul 16, 201918 votes

I agree, but also that picture angle makes him look like the world's most aggressive turtle sticking his head out of his shell, and I'm not sure I'll ever unsee it.

Chembaron YamadaJul 16, 20197 votes

Congratulations, you just created the base for a new Rammus skin here.

usul1202Jul 16, 20192 votes

That would have the most awkward roll animation

crippler38Jul 17, 20191 votes

He bounces every rotation.

usul1202Jul 18, 20191 votes

I'm sure people would shell out some serious cash for that skin

BLIGHTBRINGERJul 17, 20191 votes

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Congratulations, you just created the base for a new Rammus skin here.

I would love a Turtle Rammus, why doesn't this already exist...

Chembaron YamadaJul 17, 20191 votes

Beats me.

I actually would enjoy a skin for Rammus that makes him some gigantic turtle kaiju.

ProzzakJul 17, 20191 votes

Ha, to me it reminds me of Doctor Eggman from sonic.

ModRowanstarJul 16, 20198 votes

Yeah this totally ruins it for me. Yes I know Project is for humans only, but I like Warwick as a wolf monster more than a human. And a mecha doom wolf is much cooler than a normal old guy inside of a suit like a Spider-man villain. I am disappointed. :(

LeafyGreenJul 16, 20193 votes

I would say this is far from that. It isn't that different from regular Warwick, just with his human head in tact. In the description of what was done to him it was horrible modifications to his human body, not much different here. This isn't just some guy in a suit. This is more like the ICONIC Beauty and the Beast Unit from Metal Gear, which are much more horrifying. So I don't understand with you saying a mecha doom wolf is much cooler than this when it really isn't much different in concept than regular Warwick ..... he still has a wolf head and body

TheMan292Jul 17, 20192 votes

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I would say this is far from that. It isn't that different from regular Warwick, just with his human head in tact. In the description of what was done to him it was horrible modifications to his human body, not much different here. This isn't just some guy in a suit. This is more like the ICONIC Beauty and the Beast Unit from Metal Gear, which are much more horrifying. So I don't understand with you saying a mecha doom wolf is much cooler than this when it really isn't much different in concept than regular Warwick ..... he still has a wolf head and body

you sir have good taste in games. God those guys were cool

ModRowanstarJul 17, 20192 votes

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I would say this is far from that. It isn't that different from regular Warwick, just with his human head in tact. In the description of what was done to him it was horrible modifications to his human body, not much different here. This isn't just some guy in a suit. This is more like the ICONIC Beauty and the Beast Unit from Metal Gear, which are much more horrifying. So I don't understand with you saying a mecha doom wolf is much cooler than this when it really isn't much different in concept than regular Warwick ..... he still has a wolf head and body

A good point as he does have all his wolf parts intact. I can see now how this would be awesome: essentially he is like venom with both human and monsters merged as one.

The DreamwalkerJul 16, 20197 votes

Warwick, imo, still maintains the human only aspect of PROJECT (which I like) because Warwick was a human that was augmented into a weapon. Very nice. Although, my only peeve with this skin is that his hunt mark thing still uses the base one instead of giving him a project one. That could be getting updated, but that is just something I noticed.

Also, this skin is very great overall. It is definitely either the first or second best PROJECT skin released for this year, imo.

JakraJul 16, 20191 votes

Interesting!

Who else is contesting the first place spot if you don't mind me asking?

The DreamwalkerJul 17, 20191 votes

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Interesting!

Who else is contesting the first place spot if you don't mind me asking?

The other one is Pyke . It just looks very nice and had nice animations and such. Irelia would be third, Akali fourth, and Jinx fifth (imo).

ModRowanstarJul 17, 20191 votes

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The other one is . It just looks very nice and had nice animations and such. Irelia would be third, Akali fourth, and Jinx fifth (imo).

Irelia looks good. At first I thought she lacked the human/tech merge look, but then i noticed her legs are robotic with armor over them. Irelia is an easy champ to make skins for as her style fits with many fantasies: project, blood moon would look cool, even snow day.

The DreamwalkerJul 17, 20191 votes

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Irelia looks good. At first I thought she lacked the human/tech merge look, but then i noticed her legs are robotic with armor over them. Irelia is an easy champ to make skins for as her style fits with many fantasies: project, blood moon would look cool, even snow day.

Yea, I can see that. Only for those skin ideas, the only one I don't see is snow day because we already have that ice skin (I don't know the name).

LarrietJul 17, 20191 votes

I'm surprised I never thought of Warwick. As far as I'm concerned, he's the only non-humanoid that can really pull it off, now that I've actually been going over them again instead of just dismissing them outright. His original lore isn't far-off from the PROJECT theme in general. He's not the only former human who is no longer human (Ascended would also count), but other than maybe Azir or Xerath no one really comes close (and those two, not close enough for my money).

A number of the skins seem to have unfinished VFX. Given that a few of them were featured in the teaser, I'm expecting them to be changed by the time they go live (or soon after).

Shadow KukamiJul 16, 20194 votes

Its amazing, but in the lore of ww singed turned a man trying to do good into a killing machine. He was human at one point, i think in project the people behind project began tests on him, and he killed them all.

GarentheonJul 16, 20193 votes

Well said

Troll for TrumpJul 16, 20192 votes

"Now let's see who this really is"

XinisJul 17, 20192 votes

Eh. I would've preferred him to be a robotic wolf like Blade wolf that has a human consciousness in it that got fragmented during the transfer into the body; and before anyone says PROJECT is a human skinline looks at Jhin that's bullshit. Also, because imo, it's more accurate when it comes to his lore of how he became a beast in the first place, but I understand why they wouldn't do that because they already did it with PROJECT Jhin and they probably want some originality.

4 Step CadenceJul 17, 20191 votes

Jhin is a human though. He just fully augmented himself. The whole idea of PROJECT is that they are humans giving up their humanity to transcend the limitations of flesh. Its Ghost in the Shell. You're supposed to be asking the question of what makes them human. Their flesh? Their minds? Their emotions? What is humanity? Where do they draw the line between man and machine?

The requirements to get a PROJECT skin are that they have to be a human because there is no indication that shit like Vastaya and Yordles exist in that universe. They also have to have a significant weapon.

Programs, on the other hand, are just robots. They were never human. They were designed to aid humanity, and their form reflects their purpose. This is why Nami has one, because she's for aquatic search and rescue.

XinisJul 17, 20191 votes

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Jhin is a human though. He just fully augmented himself. The whole idea of PROJECT is that they are humans giving up their humanity to transcend the limitations of flesh. Its Ghost in the Shell. You're supposed to be asking the question of what makes them human. Their flesh? Their minds? Their emotions? What is humanity? Where do they draw the line between man and machine?

The requirements to get a PROJECT skin are that they have to be a human because there is no indication that shit like Vastaya and Yordles exist in that universe. They also have to have a significant weapon.

Programs, on the other hand, are just robots. They were never human. They were designed to aid humanity, and their form reflects their purpose. This is why Nami has one, because she's for aquatic search and rescue.

Jhin became a mechanized killer, which the word 'mechanize' in the dictionary is to: make mechanical, so he's given up any right to call himself a biological human. That's why i said Jhin spits in the face of that Human-only rule. My statement wasn't arguing the philosophical nature of Jhin's humanity, I was arguing the biological side of it.

4 Step CadenceJul 17, 20191 votes

He doesn't though, because he's a human champion. The human-only rule applies to picking champions to give the skin to. They wouldn't have given Ornn a PROJECT skin, for example, because he's not human. He's a demi-god that looks like a goat.

XinisJul 17, 20191 votes

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He doesn't though, because he's a human champion. The human-only rule applies to picking champions to give the skin to. They wouldn't have given Ornn a PROJECT skin, for example, because he's not human. He's a demi-god that looks like a goat.

So what does that make Warwick then? He's not biologically a human, he WAS, but the champion known as Warwick is a wolf

4 Step CadenceJul 17, 20191 votes

His lore for the PROJECT universe explains it. He is a human in that universe, as you can see in the picture above. He was plucked off the wastelands by PROJECT and experimented on and turned into a weapon.

Its literally just his base lore only they gave him a mechanical wolf suit instead of actually making him a wolf.

XinisJul 17, 20191 votes

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His lore for the PROJECT universe explains it. He is a human in that universe, as you can see in the picture above. He was plucked off the wastelands by PROJECT and experimented on and turned into a weapon.

Its literally just his base lore only they gave him a mechanical wolf suit instead of actually making him a wolf.

So, first run by me what the rule is. Second, you have contradicted your statement about Ornn not possibly getting a skin because he's a demi-god that looks like a goat, when you could give him one by having a human known as Ornn in the PROJECT universe and just give him a suit that looks like Ornn in our universe, just like Warwick.

4 Step CadenceJul 17, 20191 votes

No, because Ornn was never a human, and doesn't resemble a human enough to make it work. That's like saying you could give Anivia the same lore as Warwick and have it work. It won't.

This is why PROJECT: Warwick should be scrapped, not because its a bad idea, because now we're going to argue about this forever because people don't understand that the skin line is HUMAN ONLY and that RIOT STATED WARWICK DOESN'T CHANGE THIS RULE and that NO MORE EXCEPTIONS WILL BE MADE.

ModRowanstarJul 17, 20192 votes

Let me say this is one of the best project skins other than Zed, Yi, Pyke and Vayne. Btw Ashe is a legendary project, but for some reason still manages to be one of the most boring champs in game. Its not that she is an archer, because Varus is one and so is twitch and they are awesome. Ashe is just a boring champ. So despite her having a project skin she still isnt on the top. Jinx idc about because i dont use that champ so im glad i have at least 3 champs i do use (irelia, pyke, ww and sometimes Akali but her project skin looks too all over the place). As for Jhin: so i got his legendary skin which made me realize how cool Jhin is (other than his weird classic self) so i may need to go back and get Project Jhin.

4 Step CadenceJul 17, 20193 votes

PROJECT: Jhin's voice is a bit high pitched, so if you like his normal voice better you might not be a fan(like me). The skin is nice overall, though.

Blue Moon WolfJul 16, 20191 votes

I don't care what anyone says, this SHOWS the skin line isn't 100% human only. you can say he WAS human till the cows come home but the fact remains that you would not call THIS --> Warwick a human anymore. Anyone who is at least humanoid could get a project skin, Even from looking at Pyke recall gives an idea that even a monstrous looking champ could fit in the skin line so long as they were are human with a bit a monster robotic suit fused with them. they could even make a skin like "Project Xerath " So long as they talk about him being human before then becoming some kind of energy cyborg.

4 Step CadenceJul 16, 20198 votes

Riot has confirmed that Warwick isn't changing the human only rule, and that he is human in that universe. Also, another requirement is that PROJECTs have to have a significant weapon. Xerath isn't a human, and he has no weapon. Thus, no PROJECT skin. Program, though? Definitely.

Blue Moon WolfJul 16, 20191 votes

Yea, he's NOT a human in the normal universe. he WAS. You can't call Warwick human anymore. that's like saying a giant dog walking on two legs is still human because his ID card says so. The lore is there to give a reason to why he's a monster, not to define him as a human. You take the lore away you are not calling him a human.

PotPyeJul 16, 20193 votes

He's a human in PROJECT and since this is the PROJECT skin line is doesn't matter what he may be in the normal universe.

SillaeJul 16, 20191 votes

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Yea, he's NOT a human in the normal universe. he WAS. You can't call Warwick human anymore. that's like saying a giant dog walking on two legs is still human because his ID card says so. The lore is there to give a reason to why he's a monster, not to define him as a human. You take the lore away you are not calling him a human.

This kinda goes into the philosophical territory of "what measure is a human" and whatnot.

I mean his form is the result of a mad scientist's experimentation and while his body has been desiccated beyond recognition, I don't think the brain has been replaced, though it is heavily influenced by chemicals. If we judge a person's "personhood" based on their form, what exactly is the line?

Do people with horrific body changing diseases, such as the ever delightful "skin turns to bone" (FOP) disease get considered inhuman because at the end of their lives they are essentially living statues?

What of Joseph Merrick, the real life famous "Elephant Man" with deformities so extensive some people didn't even recognize him as a human but as a monster or beast?

Blue Moon WolfJul 16, 20191 votes

When you have a wolf face, tail and legs, going around tearing people up like a wild animal. I'm pretty sure that takes you out of "just deformed"... Besides, the argument is apparently only humans can have a project skin which APPARENTLY isn't the case for Program which is in the same universe yet doesn't follow any rules like this as 2 humans HAVE been used on them. If it's all human, then what is the supposed cut off for Program? It's not just "non-humans" so what rule does it follow and why didn't the humans that are in that skin line get project skins?

SillaeJul 17, 20191 votes

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When you have a wolf face, tail and legs, going around tearing people up like a wild animal. I'm pretty sure that takes you out of "just deformed"...

Not necessarily, and these lines seem arbitrary.

Wolf face? Hypertrichosis, aka "Werewolf Disease."

Tail? The human's tail is usually absorbed during fetal development.. but sometimes that doesn't happen and people are born with tails.

Legs? Deformity of the legs is common.

Tearing people up like a wild animal? You know humans can go feral too, right?

Just curious, do you consider the stock kind of werewolves to be human? You know, the by day a normal person by night a savage monster?

Blue Moon WolfJul 17, 20191 votes

I consider Werewolves fiction to be honest.-. Though to seriously answer the question, I consider Werewolf to be Humans that become monsters at night when the moon is full... maybe at the smell of blood in the air if there are any stories like that. I don't believe things like werewolves can be so cut and dry as to call them one or the other. the idea of "a monster" doesn't really exist in real life outside of people who are considered monsters based on their horrendous actions, which violently ripping people apart to eat them... kind of puts a person in that category.

It makes it even harder to say one or the other when you think about all the forms of fiction they show up in, varying from "human but covered in hair" to "wolf on two legs" to even "I hardly even recognize that as a werewolf, why is that even listed as one?". with most works of fiction, the interpretation tends to be left up to the person designing the story, then the person experiencing the story if it is left up to them to decide.

XinisJul 17, 20192 votes

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Riot has confirmed that Warwick isn't changing the human only rule, and that he is human in that universe. Also, another requirement is that PROJECTs have to have a significant weapon. Xerath isn't a human, and he has no weapon. Thus, no PROJECT skin. Program, though? Definitely.

Jhin spits in the face of that Human only rule... kind of.

Autrah FangJul 17, 20191 votes

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Xerath isn't a human, and he has no weapon. Thus, no PROJECT skin.

Eh, the "no weapon" part is the only real argument here. Since now, with Warwick, you don't have to be currently human in the main lore to get a PROJECT skin, you just have to have been a human. Xerath actually used to be human, just like Warwick. Therefore, if he had a weapon instead of just shooting lasers out of his hands, he could technically qualify for a PROJECT skin.

So, while Xerath couldn't qualify for PROJECT, you could argue that Renekton, Nasus, or Azir could. Since they used to be human like Warwick, but then got "augmented" into something else, and they have pretty significant weapons. Though, you could argue that Nasus and Azir's weapons don't really count... but you could easily make Nasus' cane into a halberd (I'm pretty sure one or more of his skins do this already), and Azir's staff could be argued as a... gun-staff thingy. (also Azir summoning up robots to do his bidding would be pretty sweet imo, though he might fit Program more than PROJECT for that reason)

KyovulpesJul 17, 20191 votes

That's what I was nodding to as well esp since their creature like characters have been part of the battlecast series

O Fallen ScholarJul 17, 20191 votes

Nah, Hyena WW is the best.

VelvetCrotchJul 21, 20191 votes

a good skin. but if they really had to put ww into this skinline they should have made him the legendary one and pyke epic. (and pyke's skin could simply stay the way he is cause atm he isn't a legendary beside his voice compared to the others)