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Patch 6.23 data released. LeBlanc winrate way up.

dakota saturn··3 votes·1,353 views

According to http://champion.gg/champion/Leblanc , her winrate has increased substantially with the rework, and is currently the highest it has ever been since her release.

According to new data after the dust has settled, it looks like people are getting used to LB and having a lot of success with her. Even games that go past 35 minutes don't see the same drop in winrate that they had a week or two ago. Consequently, her ban rate increased substantially as well - she is one of the most frequently banned champions at the moment, due to her oppressive early and mid game. People are also starting to learn how to remain relevant with her later in the game, as seen by the winrate % over time no longer looking like a ski slope like it did before.

For a champion with as high of a skillcap as LB has, I can only see it increasing even further. I understand that those of us who mained LB before the rework are still pissed over a lot of the changes, the fact seems to be that she is objectively stronger than she's ever been. I can see that she is going to become a balance problem as time goes on, and I fear she's going to suffer a lot of nerfs to her dmg and possibly her utility (chain length, sigil duration, maybe even more lockouts).

I am a LB onetrick and I haven't played any ranked games at all since if she gets banned I'm pretty much screwed, so I'm not really sure what to think. What are your guys' thoughts?

15 Comments

Craft Zeppelin6 votes

Ah the most argued WQ combo. It just blasts away the enemy laner WITH the minions. It makes her able to push hard and roam while using RR to scout for counterganks, making scissor manuevers, or even take that tower.

One thing I really like about the rework is that you can mitigate your risks with clones and stealth, and is very noticable you got a kill or not so you can jump back to safety. I love the hit and run feel it gives. Also, if you have enough items with a voidstaff you can actually one-shot carries without your mark. The rework is a actual success in my eyes.

By the way...my winrates and kda just made a sharp rise after the rework because I can play out consistantly than pre-rework.

dakota saturn1 votes

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Ah the most argued WQ combo. It just blasts away the enemy laner WITH the minions. It makes her able to push hard and roam while using RR to scout for counterganks, making scissor manuevers, or even take that tower.

One thing I really like about the rework is that you can mitigate your risks with clones and stealth, and is very noticable you got a kill or not so you can jump back to safety. I love the hit and run feel it gives. Also, if you have enough items with a voidstaff you can actually one-shot carries without your mark. The rework is a actual success in my eyes.

By the way...my winrates and kda just made a sharp rise after the rework because I can play out consistantly than pre-rework.

Same. it took me about 3 games to adjust my laning to the new LB's style, and maybe another 25-30 to get used to her mid/end game and getting combos down without messing up.

I've been pretty disgustingly fed almost every game, and almost never lose lane. I imagine it must suck to play against her because it feels like the enemy literally can't do anything. If they stay back and play safe, they miss cs and are susceptible to being chained. If they try to play aggressive, she can tag with W and bounce Q while blinking away. If they try to push, LB pushes back even harder. After 6, she can W forward -> Q .. RQ and chunk at least half their health, without even having to W on top of them.

She's really disgusting in lane, and I don't know if straight damage nerfs will do anything to stop it.

I mean, idk what can really be done besides some serious hard nerfs to her kit - Her mana costs are next to nothing, and she is hugely rewarded just for landing E. I think her sigil damage is the first thing they're going to hit, and probably the chain length soon as well, maybe to match Kled's. Her E's mana cost was also substantially reduced with the rework, and she doesn't really have any penalty for spamming and missing it, since it's just 40 mana regardless of rank. That's 5 minions with 2 doran rings. That's insane.

Honestly, she does need nerfs right now - and I want to be able to play my champion again, too. I don't mind her having ~46-47% winrate again, because I have enough practice on her I can compensate for nerfs. But she is going to be pretty out of control soon, especially if she sees competitive play.

Craft Zeppelin3 votes

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Same. it took me about 3 games to adjust my laning to the new LB's style, and maybe another 25-30 to get used to her mid/end game and getting combos down without messing up.

I've been pretty disgustingly fed almost every game, and almost never lose lane. I imagine it must suck to play against her because it feels like the enemy literally can't do anything. If they stay back and play safe, they miss cs and are susceptible to being chained. If they try to play aggressive, she can tag with W and bounce Q while blinking away. If they try to push, LB pushes back even harder. After 6, she can W forward -> Q .. RQ and chunk at least half their health, without even having to W on top of them.

She's really disgusting in lane, and I don't know if straight damage nerfs will do anything to stop it.

I mean, idk what can really be done besides some serious hard nerfs to her kit - Her mana costs are next to nothing, and she is hugely rewarded just for landing E. I think her sigil damage is the first thing they're going to hit, and probably the chain length soon as well, maybe to match Kled's.

Honestly, she does need nerfs right now - and I want to be able to play my champion again, too. I don't mind her having ~46-47% winrate again, because I have enough practice on her I can compensate for nerfs. But she is going to be pretty out of control soon, especially if she sees competitive play.

A missed out factor is that riot gave back her W missile speed. It just so fast.I know they made a 0.25 window unable to go back, but if you make a full extended dash, it hardly means anything. But I dont know about these numbers came from, like when on earth leblanc was able to use every ability within 0.25? It actually takes a bit more.

Yeah, I admit this rework is in the good direction but something feels OFF. Like really off and I cant put my finger on where to rebalance.

DunkinNoobs4 votes

Leblanc is a lot easier to play at an acceptable level now that she's no longer super reliant on lightning fast burst combos. This is a good thing. And her top end success is nowhere near out of line. I fail to see the problem.

Michael Sykes3 votes

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Leblanc is a lot easier to play at an acceptable level now that she's no longer super reliant on lightning fast burst combos. This is a good thing. And her top end success is nowhere near out of line. I fail to see the problem.

Same here. She is not as useless as before when she gets behind, has a skill ceiling which is way higher and offers more counter play than before. Number changes should be enough to keep her in line if she becomes too strong.

cocacolalips3 votes

You should consider looking up http://lolalytics.com/ if you want data, update in real time (every hour), a lot more details, much better interface.

NightmareAmazoX1 votes

Or even lolking.net

dakota saturn1 votes

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You should consider looking up http://lolalytics.com/ if you want data, update in real time (every hour), a lot more details, much better interface.

Thanks. This actually shows that her ban rate was even higher than I thought - it's over 1/3 as opposed to 1/4 as champion.gg suggested.

Ugh.

cocacolalips1 votes

Yes, both her already good (>51%) win rate and ban rate (40% today) trending up suggests people are slowly catching up. She seems to be on the strong side, it's likely she gets tuned down a bit in one of the following post assassin patch. Scarra also commented she was potentially super strong at the competitive level some weeks ago which further suggests something is going to be done either soon or as soon as tournaments start happening again.

Genocide Victim1 votes

Well no shit. I fuckin called it. Leblanc is broken and needs to be gutted. And keep her gutted please, no one wants to play against her.

Talisid1 votes

I seriously doubt this is the highest her winrate has ever been. She was so broken on release day they had to hotfix nerf her.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

are people done saying she sux yet?

PermabannedGaren1 votes

Hopefully stupid motherfuckers on the boards will stop saying shit like "she can't even solo ADCs anymore muh extended burst duration".

I saw a challenger LB players in a youtube video the other day, and I nearly shit my points. Her damage and potential for outplay is ridiculous.

TeCoolMage1 votes

I'm glad LB now has to land her E and wait for it at the very least, rather than just QR dead

Divewing1 votes

I think this is because of the ninja-buff prior to the update where riot increased the damage Q deals to minions from %80-%120, there are already adjustments on the PBE to remedy this, shes getting a slight increase to base damage but the minion damage is getting dropped to %80, i think E is also getting a slight base-damage hit.

TL;DR riot is at least aware, and next patch will see if things change

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