Glory, Talisman, Dead Man's Plate, Spooky Ghosts and Warmog's all exist in ARAM

Mandaari··4 votes·836 views

So why does Mark?

There are so many tanks that just have to waveclear until mid game that can count on Mark to engage with zero risk. Still yet they have all the tools in the title to make sure it's impossible to get away. God forbid they rely on their own abilities. I'm so fucking tired of this. Galio has been sitting between 65% and 70% win rate ever since Mark's release. I really can't understand how people complained about poke comps and they don't complain about this. At least poke comps are squishy to the point that they explode if you catch them. Engage/tank comps have been handed so many tools that you can do virtually nothing against them. There are still all those hyper-mobile champs sitting at sub 40% win rate that Mark didn't do a damn thing to help.

So what the fuck Riot? How can you still keep Mark around for 6 months when it's so blatantly broken? And I truly mean broken; not just unbalanced, but broken. It has no positive qualities whatsoever except for a placebo effect for people that think they couldn't already engage.

This really isn't the first time you've dumped something into ARAM without really considering all the different facets, but Mark is by far the worst offender. All of the other times at least fixed some problem, even if they did create others. Mark just makes already strong champions unnecessarily stronger.

Seriously, you cannot possible pretend free, zero risk engage is still a good idea when there are so many other options for engaging already.

17 Comments

undesirable team3 votes

I just think ARAM is supposed to be chaotic, so rito made a new summoner. It turns out to be pretty fun, it's easy to dodge, but with all the chaos it just makes the game more fun. I don't know about you, but I like mark/dash.

Mandaari3 votes

What makes you think it's supposed to chaotic? Nothing about ARAM was ever supposed to be about chaos. It was always about making the best of the hand you were dealt.

Where is this comment in reference to poke comps? Most poke abilities are fairly easy to dodge, yet people complain constantly about those. Getting hit by one poke abilities usually doesn't sentence any ally nearby to death.

What is fun about being totally zoned from anything because Annie can land Mark on a minion nearby? Amumu? Galio? Any of these situations likely result in a lost teamfight, not just taking a little bit of damage.

Penns2 votes

Its 5 people on 1 lane, how is it not supposed to be chotic? Random champs doesnt make it poker lel.

Ofc champs with aoe ults are gonna have a higher win rate, especially if its a taunt that does massive dmg, its not supposed to be balanced either...

Mandaari2 votes

The purpose of the mode in and of itself is not to be chaotic.

The fact that they have AoE ults is not the problem. It's that they were given access to a tool to always land those ults with extremely minimal risk. A tool that was not intended for them to use and did not help who it was intended to help.

ARAM won't be perfectly balanced, but to say there's no reason to attempt to balance it is... lazy? Besides, Mark is something that actively unbalanced the game. No change should be thrown into a game, blatantly fuck things up, and be left there for 6 months.

lightdragoon883 votes

I agree with you so much.

Tank/Engage has been given SO MUCH that they have become so broken and unfair that it is much worst to face them then the old "poke" comp.

If they want to keep this spell for Tanks/Engages then they need to add items/summoner spells for Mages/ADC.

Like I said in another thread: I would like a summoner spell that acted a bit like Janna ult: When used it send out a shock wave that pushes all nearby enemies back a set distance.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

melee teams got trashed by poke teams before they were even able to build these items.

thats why mark exists.

Mandaari2 votes

"Melee teams" is a misused umbrella term. Most of the champions that have problems (many of which are not melee) have problems other than engaging. Take a look here:

http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&type=champion-loserate&range=monthly&map=ha&queue=normal

Nearly all of them have some form of engage already, and some of them qualify as hypermobile. That list barely budged whatsoever when Mark was released. Engage was never the problem for them, so building these items or getting Mark isn't really helpful for them. However it's a huge buff to champions like Galio (who was around 60% before Mark).

Mark existing doesn't do shit to help those bottom 10-15, nor do most of the items in the title. Akali is not weak in ARAM because she needs a 4th dash. Leblanc is not weak because she can't reach the other team.

TheLastShadow451 votes

where are you getting these win rates? No website for win rates shows ARAM stats.

TheLastShadow451 votes

I forgot about lolking. So what if he has a 65% win rate. Out of all games played in the past month he is in about 3% of them. Now consider how many ARAM games are played everyday.

Mandaari3 votes

Galio is the most extreme of offenders, but there are many others.

Also he's been in almost half of my games today, along with many of the other offenders.

SaltyKracka1 votes

Because it's much more fun than poke forever.

Mandaari2 votes

What makes you think poke it the only other option? Even if it were, all of the items in the title didn't exist in ARAM previously and all but one or two are direct counters to poke comps. Mark is now just overkill.

Besides, Mark makes every comp less viable against tanks, not just poke comps.

The Bearded Bard1 votes

Because it's fun.

Mandaari1 votes

Serious question. What about it is fun?

The Bearded Bard1 votes

It's honestly the only thing I enjoy about ARAM. A lot of my real life friends play exclusively ARAM, so I'm always sucked into it. It'd be a lot more fun if all the champs were unlocked so I don't see the exact same champs every game in a so called 'all random' mode.

Mandaari1 votes

That doesn't answer my question. Basically what I got from that response is that when you're forced to play ARAM Mark makes it more fun. It doesn't say why.

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